Dear Nachiketa Ji, I completely agree with you. We should not fight in the basis of religion but against the injustice, inequality and for dignity. But at the same time we should not allow people to take over the driving seat who promote the communal hatred and devide the society.
rgds Gladson On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 7:37 AM, Nachiketa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear All, > > If Phillipines is poor, its is because it was first colonised by the > Spanish and then then the Americans - not because of missionaries. The > colonization process shaped the relations of production and ownership in > Phillipines, which in turn have led to the poverty of its masses. > Missionaries,as a part of the colonisation process, were complicit in the > present situation in Phillipines. > > Yet it is Christian Filipinos who fought against the colonisers, and the > christian filipinos who threw out Marcos, and the same people who are being > killed by right wing paramilitaries in Phillipines. To simplify a whole > history of a nation by linking it to purely religion will tie us in knots > and provides little insight. > > The fight should be against injustice and oppression, not against > religions. Religions are used as instruments of oppression as well as means > of liberation - it succors both sides. T*hose who seek to create division > on basis of religions almost always are on the side of the oppressors and > the unjust* - religion and faith has always been used to divide and rule > by the "1%" of the rulers. Yet religion and faith has also aways been used > to fight against the same oppressors. Its not one religion vs. other- that > is a false dichotomy- to fight against oppression and injustice, we need > faith of all types. > > *When Ven provides these stats we know whose game he is playing and on > whose behalf.* One must learn to ignore such bigots and mischief makers > and fight them on grounds of oppression, injustice and sense of history > rather than their twisted, sick assumptions about faith. > > > Regards > > Nachiketa > > > > > > On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 9:26 PM, isaac verghese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Venkat, their are lies,damned lies and statistics. How do u know >> Venkat that only 4.1% in this group are christians? Where did you pull that >> figure from buddy? Just because Jharkhand is represented by 4.1 % christians >> right. For all you know 68% of this Jharkhand group could be christians, >> while the majority from another religion are taking a nap? Please donot >> falsely extrapolate %ages mate. >> >> Pls donot play the majority card either, cos 98% of world's wealth is >> owned by 1% of the world's population.The 1%, rule the world , champion >> Venkat.Stats prove zilch. >> >> You keep misquoting Phillipines and use it as a shining star for your >> argument. The acusation you make is that Filos are poor because of the >> missionaries.U can make anyone poor by either taking all their money or >> stopping them from earning/saving more . Which one do u think the >> missionries did in Phillipines or any other country?Did the >> missionaries siphon huge amounts of money from Philippines/tribals? Did they >> force Philippines/tribals to donate their miserly earnings? Did they >> stop Philippines/tribals from saving money? Which one of these made the >> tribals poor? I donot understand Venkat, can u explain that to me pls? In >> fact the truth is the missionaries brought money from outside and made the >> locals less poor.Otherwise the locals would have been much poorer. >> >> I am absolutely sure u are not talking about cultural poverty cos u r not >> capable of addressing that and it has nothing to do with religion. >> >> U r right ,missionaries are not social workers. Their sole agenda is to >> show people the truth based on their faith- right or wrong. But when they >> came to these poverty stricken countries they were forced to become social >> workers because well off Indians like u and me would not move our butt to >> help the poor.The missionaries did what we selfish egoistic Indians didnot >> want to do.Mother Teresa being a quintessential of that phenomenon. So move >> your butt and do something instead of taking pot shots at others. >> >> Venkat, u come across as a hollow fake Hindu mate. Sorry to say that. You >> know what, if you stand for elections in Jharkhand u will get 4.1% of the >> votes. Gee, I wonder where that number came from? >> >> Some nice gentleman called you a broken record. The only thing good about >> Broken record, venkat, is that it is not capable of belting out anything >> original. Its the same moronic spiel. >> >> have a good one >> >> Cheers >> Isaac >> >> >> *ven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: >> >> According to below wikipedia article Hindus are 68.5% of Jharkhand. But >> in this Jharkhand group it is the 4.1% Christians who are trying to dominate >> enforce their views and opinions on all others. >> They even claim to speak on behalf of the unconverted tribals and make it >> seem that the Hindus are the enemies and the missionaries are the saviours.. >> >> >> Just imagine what will happen whne their numbers grow further through >> missionary propagation. All other religions are doomed then! We will end >> up as another set of aborigines or American Indians. Refugee in our own >> lands >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jharkhand >> Hinduism is the majority religion in the state, with 68.5% of the >> population practicing the faith. Islam is followed by 13.8% of the >> population, followed by Animisitic Sarna religion which comprises 13% of the >> population. Christianity with 4.1% of the population makes the fourth >> largest religious community in Jharkahnd. Jainism, Buddism and Sikhism are >> all practised making few less than 1%. >> >> >> >> * www.jharkhand.org.in/forum * <http://www.jharkhand.org.in/forum> >> <http://egroups.com/list/Jharkhand> >> * * >> >> >
