1. The Clustering or Ghettoisation of Muslims started after the 1969 Communal riotsing the Congress rule when over 50,000 lives were lost in a week of free for all and there was no NDTV or Rajdeep Saresai to wail for Muslim lives lost. The cause was the belief in Muslims that in all riots the Hindu-s were the victims in Centuries past and presumed similar bashing of Hindu-s, but never expected the refugees from Pakistan to retaliate with vengeance. 2. You are living in Gujarat. You are aware how Abdul ith the support of Congress and CM was openly intimidating Hindu-s to sell off their properties at throw away prices- distress selling and how the "Mini Pakistan"JUHAPURA was formed exclusively for Muslims. 3. Since hundreds of years the segregation of housing Societies on religious /Caste distinctions have been followed, with people of same faith gathered together as in "Poles" of Ahmedabad. There are Muslim Poles and Hindu Poles and residences are exclusively for the faith believers only. 4. It is Politicians who have manoeauvred riots in the past but not after Mody came to power, it has been peaceful post-2002 for six years without even a terrorist attack, which was broken last month. 5.Democracy prevails in Gujarat that is why you found Mody win with thumping majority in spite of opposition from his own party. IF YOU MEAN DEMOCRACY IS FREE RUN FOR CONVERSIONS AND DEPICTION OF HINDU GODS IN NUDE (MS UNIVERSITY) WELL SUCH DEMOCRACY IS NOT ALLOWED I AGREE. Jyoti, you cannot but agree that Gujarat is the most peaceful and prosperous State in India for anybody to live, INCLUDING MUSLIMS BUT NOT INTIMIDATORY EVANGELISTS LIKE VASSON THAMPU OR CEDRIC
--- On Fri, 8/8/08, jyoti dhomse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: jyoti dhomse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [ =>> Jharkhand <<= ] Re: Statement By CONCERNED CITIZENS OF GUJARAT on "BOMB BLASTS"(31st July,2008) To: [email protected] Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 4:05 PM Jharkhand Forum | Jharkhand Blog | Jharkhand Video | Jharkhand Network dear william and ven i agree tha there are two sides to same coin. and that is what i am reiterating to Mr Kumar and people lik him who says everything is going on very well in Gujarat. also demaocracy does not prevail because of relgions being priveledged. democracy prevails when i am ready to accept differences existing around me. Democracy does not exist when there is so much intolerance prevailing. I agree that is it is dificult to understand changes that has happened in Gujarat post 2002. Because changes u will experience when u go to take house on rent and u r muslim, difference you will expereince when u go to buy bread at night in muslim area... when u expereince boundries within u r own home town.things have chaged there friends. rest everything is very very fine in Gujarat. everything is hunky dory no need to worry. Right? warm regards jyoti To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.co.in From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] com Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 08:12:00 +0100 Subject: Re: [ =>> Jharkhand <<= ] Re: Statement By CONCERNED CITIZENS OF GUJARAT on "BOMB BLASTS"(31st July,2008) Every coin has two sides. I have cousin who is married to a Gujarati , Lives in Ahmedabad currently. The stories that I have been told do not add up to Ven's Modi sponsored media stories/reports. There is no role of patronising. Surely there must be some from Gujarat with positive experience. I have not read those report in this forum. They must me in too much comfort or just not bothered to share their happy moments. I hope the healthy debates carry on. To say that India has the best democracy system today is just baloney. I am not sayings western system is the best. Politics is a dirty word and who delve in politics are just devils in disguise. Live and let live. --- ven <ahvenkitesh@ gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Jyoti > > There are others who stay in Gujarat who have quite > the opposite > opinion of yours. > By the way I don't see any religion why Hinduism > cannot be the > priviliege religion in India. As long as we have > Hindus and Hinduism > around we can be assured of democracy, vibrant > secularism, religious > tolerance, peace and harmony. As far as Christianity > of Cedric is > concerned or Islam, wherever they have come into > contact with native > religions, they have absolutely trampled and > destroyed them. So don't > count on the deceptions of **********. > > Venkitesh > PS: ************ ********* ********* > > > On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 9:10 AM, jyoti dhomse > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Jharkhand Forum | Jharkhand Blog | Jharkhand Video > | Jharkhand Network > > > > > > > > dear mr kumar, > > > > i am born in gujarat and till this date i am > staying in gujarat. i dont need > > mr modi to visit and tour the place. i have > experinced the changes first > > hand sir. this is not neswpaper or books > experience or media experience > > speaking. > > > > warm regards > > jyoti > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.co.in > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] com > > Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 11:37:56 -0700 > > Subject: RE: [ =>> Jharkhand <<= ] Re: Statement > By CONCERNED CITIZENS OF > > GUJARAT on "BOMB BLASTS"(31st July,2008) > > > > > > > > > > > > Jharkhand Forum | Jharkhand Blog | Jharkhand Video > | Jharkhand Network > > > > > > > > Most of the observations about Gujarat situation > could be comparable to > > Blind Men and the Elephants. > > > > Recently Narendra Mody was in Kerala visiting the > famous Krishna Temple in > > Guruvayur. Some MLA-s (CPM) met him and criticized > him for the massacre in > > the State of Muslims, the fear factor enveloping > the people there and so on. > > > > Mody coolly replied, "How many of you want to > visit Gujarat at the > > Govt.expense? You can travel anywhere, meet anyone > without any restriction > > and I would provide the facilities for you" > > > > Over 20 MLA-s so critical of him including Muslims > and CPM toured the State > > including Godhra, Baroda, Naroda Patia..etc. met > the locals and talked with > > the public. The team was guided by a > representative from IIM without ny > > Govt. official. > > > > These MLA_s returned fully enlightened about the > highly exaggerated negative > > reporting by media and expressed total peaceful > conditions in the State, > > Muslims spoken to were also happy with the > peaceful situation in the State. > > > > It is mischief makers like Cedric- the Evangelist > and so called NGO-s who > > foment trouble in Gujarat by instigating > insignificant groups, arranging > > meetings attended by few but publicised as a great > movement in the media- > > against Mody- who are attempting to block the > development. > > > > Anyone having a negative opinion of the State, > make a personal visit without > > any tutoring or guides like Cedric, meet any > member of public and observe > > for yourself how different is Gujarat with 24 hrs. > uninterrupted power even > > in villages, water reaching most parts of the > State from Narmada, excellent > > roads you would observe right from airport or > anywhere- the drastic > > difference you observe from other Cities, justice > expedited- Mody's > > innovative plan to extend the working of judiciary > by 2 hrs, everyday > > reduced backlogs by 75%, availability of free > Ambulance with modern medical > > service within on dialling 108 all over the State, > all would reveal the > > dynamism of the Chief Minister, who owns a house > costing Rs.5 lakhs today > > and a bank balance below Rs.50,000 as his total > assets!! > > > > Let the ilk like Cedic and his group leave Gujarat > alone with its programme > > as the State does not wish religious differences > to be exploited by such > > groups with a view to evangelise the poor and > tribals. > > THE FEAR EXPRESSED BY ANY IN GUJARAT, IS THE FEAR > OF BEING CORRUPT, DOING > > WRONG ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES, SURREPTITIOUS > CONVERSIONS, CRIMINAL > > ACTIVTIES..ETC. AN HONEST AND UPRIGHT CITIZEN HAS > NO FEAR IN GUJARAT IN HIS > > LIVING OR ACTIVITIES. > > > > JYOTI WOULD DO WELL TO APPROACH MODY HIMSELF > THROUGH HIS WEBSITE AND ASK FOR > > AN INTERVIEW AND TOUR WHEREVER SHE WANTS FOR A > FIRST HAND INFORMATION > > > > --- On Thu, 8/7/08, jyoti dhomse > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com> wrote: > > > > From: jyoti dhomse <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com> > > Subject: RE: [ =>> Jharkhand <<= ] Re: Statement > By CONCERNED CITIZENS OF > > GUJARAT on "BOMB BLASTS"(31st July,2008) > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.co.in > > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 5:31 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Jharkhand Forum | Jharkhand Blog | Jharkhand Video > | Jharkhand Network > > > > > > > > > > dear Mr Kumar > > > > it is after long silence that i am writing again. > I am confused about your > > definition of prosperity and peace. if no one > speaks about the injustice > > because of fear does that mean everything is > alright in gujarat? unless and > > until u experience yourself what kind of unrest > exists in gujarat and the > > reasons behind it i know more and more persons > like u will keep on believing > > that gujarat is the most peaceful state of India. > girls today also can go > > out at twelve o clock night but not long back > situation was that any girl in > > gujarat could feel herself safe not just some > girls of privelged religion. > > there was a time when all girls felt safe, parents > of all girls also > > felt but not now Mr Kumar. this is the small a > very small difference that u > > should not even mind i know. > > > > i just hope someday u will see situations not just > from intellectual point > > of view and also just from your point of view. > > > > warm regards > > jyoti > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.co.in > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] com > > Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 10:01:38 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [ =>> Jharkhand <<= ] Re: Statement > By === message truncated === William Kisku
