Shri Kumar This is a discussion on the migratory workers from Jharkhand and Bihar in the adverse conditions of Ladakh. I dont know why you are making repeated assertions that Biharis are the laziest persons (I ignored your first outburst). Are you competing with Raj Thackeray? Bear in mind that Babu Jagjiwan Ram never pushed for any special development or funds for his constitueny or his state and has been cricticised for this.
Are you aware that Bihar has had the lowest and Jharkhand the second lowest per capita development fund allocation in every five year plan since independence? This is a fact that can be ascertained from the official website of the planning commission of India. Your simple minded conclusion that lack of development in these regions is due to laziness is nothing but a display of your own midnset and biases and not in line with hard facts. The attempt to bring in evangelism in a discussion on the migratory workers in Ladakh is most deplorable. Incidentally, Verghese Kurien was a post graduate in Metallurgy with degree from UK and not a mere matriculate as your assert. His first job on return to India was with Tata Steel. I have never heard of any Katju in relation to investments in Jharkhand or the old Bihar. Is that also a 'fact' like Kurien's matriculation or Jagjiwan Ram pouring central funds in his constituency? With your penchant to antagonise wide variety of people, I wonder if Narendra Modi will be better off without supporters like you. --- In [email protected], S kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Anandita, > ? > Migrations of populations are to keep the body and soul together and not for any other reason. Undivede Bihar was the most poorly administered State in India with ubiquitous corrupt politicians and officials. > ? > Regarding Kurien, I know him personally. He was not an evangelist nor a Church goer. With all resources available he has not constructed a Church in the Anand Campus. A matriculate, he had the entrepreneurship spirit to organise the local Patels supported by the famous HM Patel-? a Central Finance Minister. > ? > With taking over Polsons run by British before independence, Anand dairies?started growing in a pheonomenal gradient with the gift of milk powder in tonnes, used for making pasteurised milk alongwith collections from villages. > ? > Kurien was given the freedom to operate the venture by the Gujarat Politicians. After his retirement only, the Mehsana dairy started exporting tetrapack milk for exports and only last wekk additional capacity was inaugurated by Narendra Mody. > ? > If Kurien had gone to Bihar or Kerala, he would have been hounded out by selfish Politicians, leftists and corrupt officials. > ? > I repeat, under Naredndra Mody's six years, milk productios doubled after retirement of Kurien, though I accept Kurien was the master mind to acheieve the dominance of Gujarat in Dairy industry and HE WAS NOT A PRACTISING CHRISTIAN NOR AN EVANGELIST WHICH ALL OF YOU IN JHARKAND HAVE AS?THE SOLE OBJECTIVE IN SOCIAL SERVICE. > ? > I Still assert that overall, Bihari-s are the laziest in the Country na dthere might be exceptions as you state. Otherwise with all the Central funds pumped in Bihar since Jagjivan Ram and K.Katju with several large projects established there like SINDRI, Bihar would have come up to position Uno in the Country. Without such Central investments Gujarat has now reached the top position thanks to Narendra Mody.? > > > --- On Wed, 8/20/08, anindita dey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From: anindita dey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [ =>> Jharkhand <<= ] Re: Migratory workers from Jharkhand and Bihar in Ladakh > To: [email protected] > Date: Wednesday, August 20, 2008, 1:22 PM > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > ? > ? > Jharkhand Forum | Jharkhand Blog | Jharkhand Video | Jharkhand Network > ? > ?? > > > > > > > Many studies on migration has been done in Bihar and Jharkhand; some from NGO also. What is the fun of carrying out such studies? Is the reason unknown to us? The reasons are well known to all and sundry, albeit some may pretend to be unaware of. It is also not fair to pass blanket judgement that ?Bihari is lazy by nature? just by seeing some from the horse back. In fact, I do have lot of Bihari friends and I have seen them being very labourious. > The Gujarat tetra-pack and Anand cooperative phenomenon is not of today. It?s a gift from Prof. Verghese Kurien (father of white revolution) not only to Gujarat but also for the whole country (the same was replicated in Sudha Dairy in Bihar and now in Jharkahnd) and not from Mr. Modi. The Amul model of cooperatives was already successful as early as in 1965 and laid the foundation stone for establishment of National Dairy Development Board with Prof. Kurien as its Founder Chairman. Well, the name of Prof. Verghese Kurien might have appeared to be an evangelical personality to Mr. Kumar, the reason for which, I suspect, was deliberately ignored in the text. > > --- On Tue, 19/8/08, S kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com> wrote: > > From: S kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com> > Subject: Re: [ =>> Jharkhand <<= ] Re: Migratory workers from Jharkhand and Bihar in Ladakh > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.co.in > Date: Tuesday, 19 August, 2008, 6:26 PM > > > > > > ? > > > > > ? > ? > Jharkhand Forum | Jharkhand Blog | Jharkhand Video | Jharkhand Network > ? > ?? > > > > > > > 1.Have any of the NGO-s studied the unique situation in Bihar/Jharkand, M.P./Chattisgarh or Orissa from which States the cheap labour migrate to all over the Northern States for unskilled labour? > ? > Bihar has perennial rivers flowing with the scope for excellent agricultural, dairy and related economic activities. > ? > Why is it that no Gujarati is moving to other States for such labour while in Gujarat, the power-loom and other industries have more than 50% labour from Orissa and Jharkand? > ? > 2. Few decades back, I was a member of the team invited by the Union Industries Minister (from Buxar) to visit and study how we could industrialise and increase the labour in local employment in Bihar. > ? > We noticed that a Bihari is lazy by nature. People were sleeping under the trees at 11AM near Arrah and we were told that if they get adequate grains in one crop, they would not go in for further cultivation in the year > ? > 3. It is the awakening of the awareness in the local population to work and earn as nobody would go to Punjab or Ladakh for such gruelling road building work unless they are in abject poverty. > ? > It is the responsibility of the Social Organisations, Govt. programmes as well as NGO-s to bring them up economically self supporting by such activities rather than standing in front of their door with a Bible and a picture of Jesus, to pour a bucket of water (or sprinkle) what we observe today.? > ? > Gujarat was in a similar situation in 1947. Today the tetrapak milk from Gujarat is in demand at Singapore and HongKong and tankerloads of milk are sent daily from Anand to Calcutta and Bombay. > ? > This requires grit and determination to really serve the poor tribals and Dalits, not lip service through agitations and representations to Govt. > > > --- On Tue, 8/19/08, TV Sinha <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com> wrote: > > From: TV Sinha <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com> > Subject: [ =>> Jharkhand <<= ] Re: Migratory workers from Jharkhand and Bihar in Ladakh > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.co.in > Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 2:21 PM > > > > > This excuse by the contractors is the weakest I have heard in a long > time: why would workers not stock water and food if provided for and > ask strangers for the same? Should not water and food be given to > the workers at their place of work rather than expect them to carry > it in the oxygen depleted environment? > > There is surely something more to it than this weak explanation. It > could be either that the workers are given below min wages and are > forced to supplement their income by asking strangers for food. > Else, they are not adequately advised, carry less than adequate food > and run out of it before the day is out. Either way, it is the > failure of their employers to provide minimum facilities in these > adverse working circumstances. I wish there was proper supervision > of these employers so that they donot exploit the workers. But then > who cares for the poor from Jharkhand and Bihar? > > Thanks > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.co.in, "Jharkhand Blog" <news@> > wrote: > > > > <http://jharkhand. org.in> > > > > One of the surprises in Ladakh was the sight of workers at road > building > > projects all the way from the states of Bihar and Jharkhand in the > northern > > plains of India. Workers from these two states are known to be > migratory in > > nature, going across to all parts of the country in search of > employment. > > But coming to the cold, high altitude desert region is another > thing. > > > > All across the Indian Himalayas, it is common to see road > construction > > activity going on; these include new roads, repair and expansion > of existing > > ones and building of tunnels. Often contracted to private > companies, they > > tend to get the cheapest labour to work for them to keep costs > down. Hence > > the reliance on these migratory workers. > > > > One must give credit to these workers. Coming from the plains, > where the > > climate is mostly hot, to put in hard labour in these oxygen > deprived > > altitudes takes some bravado. It also speaks of their enterprising > spirit. > > > > Of course, helping their cause in the fact that contractors also > find it > > hard to get locals to work for them. A low population region, > there are not > > many who are inclined to pursue such professions as better > opportunities are > > available to them. > > > > When groups of them waved to me to stop asking for food and water. > I came > > across them all the way from Sarchu to the More (pronounced mo- > ray) plains > > on the way to Leh; they had apparently run out of the same for the > day. In > > the middle of nowhere with not even a blade of grass for miles, the > > scorching sun does not help their cause either. I shared whatever > extra I > > had with four such groups, but felt bad when I could not help more. > > This did lead me to think about their working conditions, with no > kind > > thoughts going for their employers. It was only later in Leh that > I was told > > that proper arrangements for the workers are made; the workers are > clearly > > advised which streams and springs to stock up on water for the > day, and > > contractors ensure food is delivered to the construction sites. > But many of > > these workers know they can rely on the kindness of travellers and > save the > > effort of filling up on the water. Of course, this is unconfirmed > as I could > > not get to cross-check with the workers or the contractors later. > > > > Ajay Jain > > >
