Dear Dr.Kisku, 1. I am not promoting the snake bite rituals as there are many such abhorrent practices still followed as a tradition!! Did you see the INDIATV showing the throwing of infants around an year old from a two storey building to a soft padded mattresses as a ritual and thousands were in Q with thei infant kids to get this done- and none gets injured? Weird are the ways and Science has no explanation for several such practices like an Andhra family pushing live fish down the throat of the people alongwith some herbs, as a cure for respiratory diseases and tens of thousands attending the same every year on a particular day! 2. I do appreciate your frank admission that every Allopathic drug, be it the simple pain killer with Acetyl Salicylic Acid or the spectrum of anti-biotics introduced periodically! You would have read about the pharma lobby's grip on FDA in US and how Tamglu and now Gardasil are pumped into the market with compulsion in some cases (Minnesota) in spite of maimings and deaths in several cases!! 3. In Kerala, there are mainly two large temples where the traditional family members undertake the cure of snake bites with a high degree of success. One is about 30Km. from the town of Trichur, between Tricur and Cochin known as Pampummekkadu. Second one is Mannaarsala Temple near Harippad (Kollam District). Both these temples have extensive virgin forest areas where the sankes thrive and do not harm any devotee coming to the temple and one could see highly poisonous snakes crawling around without harming anyone. 4. Reg. Cyanide resistant worker, I read it years back in a report, either in Readers' digest or some journal, I cannot recollect now. But I am sure of the news reported then. 5. Incidentally, as you are a surgeon, I have some suggestion about some Homoeo remedies that would help your patients recover faster without complications. ARNICA MONT. for quick healing of the wounds and incisions, LEDUM PAL to prevent any likely infections like Tetanus or MRSA and STAPHYSAGRIA to get the rejoining and restoration of the incises nerves during the surgery. I do not know how far you are open to alternative systems which is followed by over 45% of the Americans today!!
--- On Sun, 8/24/08, WILLIAM KISKU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: WILLIAM KISKU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [ =>> Jharkhand <<= ] Jharkhand: Ritual of getting bitten by snakes To: [email protected] Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 12:37 AM Dear Kumar, Thank you very much for your comments. I fully agree with you that there are many systems of medical practice, ayurvedic. unani and homoeopathic etc etc to name just a few. As a surgeon I do not believe that allopathic medicine system is the perfect one. I know for a fact that there are lot of illnesses and symptoms which do not fit into allopathic text books which are then treated by other systems of medicine. I do have an open mind and I am aware that the allopathic medicines have side effects which are more harmful than the illness and that it does not suit every body. I am aware that there are scientists all over the world who are intersted in analysing the herbal medicines. infact lot of allopathic medicines have herbal basis aspirin, quinine, digitalis, vincristine to name just a few. But to promote SNAKE BITE RITUAL among the tribals in the name of promoting tribal cultural values and body immunity is just baloney. 5. There are temples devoted to Snakes in Kerala > where the snake bite victims are brought back to > life as the blood does not clot in most cases ovenom > poisonings and the individual is revived by > traditional methods. Can you actually give me the details of place and how to get there so that as a person who is interested in the paranormal I can go there personally and verify and come back to the forum and report what you said is true and not factitious as alot of people are led to believe. "7. A worker in a U.S. electroplating factory has > accumulated so much cyanide in his blood stream/ > tissues that if he bites anyone they will die. Even > his saliva has cyanide of lethal levels. If a > snakebites him, the snake would die and not he." I am visiting USA/Canada for 2 weeks and again I will be verifying about this man with high levels of cyanide in his body. Details of your source of information please. I would keep my eyes open and learn as I go along. Thanks for your comments. William Kisku > --- S kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com> wrote: > 1. People practice different methods to develop > immunity from such toxins and diseases, evolved out > of traditionsl experiences passed down the > generations since thousands of years. One cannot > ignore it. > > 2. There are several highly qualified Scientists > working in India as well as Africa on the > traditional medical practices and the herbs used or > the animal products taken as prophylactics or > remedies, in all tribal belts, and active in Kerala. > > 3. It is well known that minute quantities of > toxins/ poisons ingested or introduced in the blood > stream stimulates the system to counter the same > without reaching the damaging levels- here the > nervous system from snake venom. > > 4. The snake charmers throughout India have their > own herbs and roots or other remedies known to > traditional tribals, that keeps them out of danger > even in case of snake bites. > > 5. There are temples devoted to Snakes in Kerala > where the snake bite victims are brought back to > life as the blood does not clot in most cases ovenom > poisonings and the individual is revived by > traditional methods. > These could not be explained scientifically. > > 6. When the present day physicians are trained in a > particular narrow view of allopathic system or > "opposing theories", they cannot accept or digest > and call other methods as unscientific or weird or > of ignorants!! > A lot of work needs in this direction. > > 7. A worker in a U.S. electroplating factory has > accumulated so much cyanide in his blood stream/ > tissues that if he bites anyone they will die. Even > his saliva has cyanide of lethal levels. If a > snakebites him, the snake would die and not he. > > Human body is a very complex and flexible structure. > Allopathic system cannot understand other methods > nor how they work > > --- On Sat, 8/23/08, WILLIAM KISKU > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com> wrote: > > From: WILLIAM KISKU <[EMAIL PROTECTED] com> > Subject: Re: [ =>> Jharkhand <<= ] Jharkhand: Ritual > of getting bitten by snakes > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ps.co.in > Date: Saturday, August 23, 2008, 5:15 PM > > > > > > > Dear Ven and others > > This is a " RITUAL /TRADITION " (Tribal or Hindu) > which should not be allowed to go on in the name of > maintaining "Cultural Values of Tribals". > > Thanks for bringing it to the forum and I would like > to initiate the debate as to what the whole meaning > of > tribal ritual/ tradition is and what as a forum > irrespective of our religious/ spiritual belief are > we > going to do in order to stop it continuing. > > As a Christian I have been taught against idol > worshipping. > > I don't do it.I can't prove scientifically existence > of God, but if I want to believe in Jesus( who was a > historical figure God or not )that should not offend > any one in the forum. Just as I am not upset if any > one wants to believe in Allah or Ram,/ Krishna/ > Vishnu > or Buddhha OR WHATEVER . As a Christian I will > CONDEMN conversion of any one to any religion based > on > MONETARY lure or PHYSICAL THREAT OR VIOLENCE. > > VIOLENCE IN ANY RELIGION IS BAD. > > How ever I am NOT going to criticise or condemn any > one worshipping a tree/ stone or any inanimate > object. IT IS UPTO THEM TO BELIEVE WHAT THEY WANT TO > BELIEVE. > > Coming back to the tradition of "Being bitten by a > venoumous snake" is it a TRIBAL TRADITION or > RELIGIOUS > TRADITION? or NATIONAL TRADITION??? SHOULD WE AS > EDUCATED PEOPLE LET THIS TRADITION TO CONTINUE. > > Shri VENKATESH AND S KUMAR PLEASE COMMENT ! > > I want response from each MEDICAL INTELLECTUALS IN > THE > FORUM and others whoever is in the slightest bit > interested in the WELFARE OF THE TRIBALS AND JUSTIFY > SUCH PRACTICE IN 21ST CENTURY.PUT YOUR HAND IN YOUR > HEART. > > PLEASE COME FORWARD AND SPEAK OUT HERE. > > We get upset if the media tells the world about > habits > of some of our people eating RATS because it > undermines our tastes. I would not eat it(rat) > myself > although I have eaten Knagaroo meat in Australia and > found it quite tasty !I did not dare to eat > Crocodile > meat !! > > I respect people irrespective of what they eat or do > not, as long as the animal has been killed humanely. > > How do we tackle this issue in real life situation?? > I > am sure PEOPLE will come out WITH SUGGESTIONS AND > SOLUTIONS as well during the discussion. > > William Kisku > > --- sri venkat <ahvenkitesh@ gmail.com> wrote: > > > Ritual of getting bitten by snakes > > > > Sat, Aug 23 10:05 AM > > > > > http://in.news. yahoo.com/ 139/20080823/ > 824/tnl-ritual- of-getting- bitten-by- snakes.html > > > > Mohulia Sol (Jharkhand), Aug 23 (ANI): Tribals in > > Jharkhand celebrated their > > traditional festival during which the devotees > > practice a unique ritual of > > being bitten by snakes to please the Hindu deity > > Mansa Devi. > > > > People participating in the snake biting ritual at > > Mahulia Sol village apply > > herbal medicines all over their bodies and also > eat > > special herbal medicine > > named Eklavi that protects them from the poison of > > snakes. > > > > According to them, if they chew this medicine, the > > snakes would find it > > difficult to bite them and even if they bite the > > poison won't affect their > > bodies. > > > > "Our forefathers have been doing this for the past > > many years, but we have > > no idea why they do it. We are doing this as a > part > > of our tradition. These > > poisonous snakes here are cobras and if they bite > > the person sitting on the > > carrier, he won't get affected because he has some > > very effective medicines > > applied all over his body," said Ras Raaj Kahili, > a > > devotee. > > > > About eight to ten snakes are placed on the bodies > > of the two devotees who > > carried on palanquins. These snakes keep biting > them > > but they are not > > affected at all. > > > > "You must have heard about the story of Lakhinder > > and Behula. Lakhinder was > > once bitten by a snake and died soon after that. > But > > then his wife Behula > > prayed to Mansa Devi who then after being pleased > > with her granted back her > > husband's life to him. Since then, our forefathers > > made this a tradition to > > worship Mansa Devi by getting bitten by snakes > with > > this faith that Mansa > > Devi would save them anyhow," said Deepak Kumar > Das, > > another devotee. > > > > The devotees who get bitten don't speak a word for > === message truncated === William Kisku
