In the JDK 8 java launcher, classpath hell is having two [incompatible] versions of the "same" JAR on the classpath and getting types from both of them.

In the JDK 9 java launcher, we avoid modulepath hell -- two [incompatible] versions of the "same" module on the modulepath -- by uniquifying each module on the modulepath. If someone tries to work around that by giving different names to the different versions of the "same" module, then we still avoid modulepath hell by refusing to load their [incompatible] packages into the same loader. The java launcher is not becoming a mini container that spins loaders for multiple versions of the same module -- code defined by the application loader on JDK 8 is defined by the application loader on JDK 9.

Alex

On 8/31/2016 12:21 PM, cowwoc wrote:
Well, this is unfortunate. As I stated earlier, I fail to see how
depending on constant version numbers (not version ranges) fall under
the scope of "version selection". Was this case considered/discussed in
depth?

Not everyone is sold on version ranges (e.g. the vast majority of Maven
artifacts I've seen depend on constant versions) and I think this would
go a long way towards solving the original "classpath hell" problem.

Gili

On 2016-08-31 2:55 PM, Neil Bartlett [via jigsaw-dev] wrote:
Gili,

As Alex points out: your use-case can be supported in Java 9 but only
with the addition of custom ClassLoaders, or by using an existing
ClassLoader-based module system such as OSGi.

The same is also true of Java 8, and Java 7, etc.

Regards,
Neil


On 31 Aug 2016, at 19:29, Alex Buckley <[hidden email]
</user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=5713366&i=0>> wrote:

On 8/31/2016 10:56 AM, cowwoc wrote:
I recently became aware of the fact that the Jigsaw specification
declared
"version-selection" as a non-goal. While I understand how we ended
up here,
I am hoping that you were able to support the following (very common)
use-case:

* Module "HelloWorld" depends on modules "Guava" and "JSoup".
* Module "Guava" depends on module slf4j version 1 (requires but
does not
export it).
* Module "JSoup" depends on module slf4j version 2 (requires but
does not
export it).
* slf4j version 2 and is not backwards-compatible with version 1.

What happens at runtime? Will Jigsaw (out of the box, without
3rd-party
tools like Maven or OSGI) be smart enough to provide different
versions of
slf4j to "Guava" and "JSoup"?

(You mean Guava/JSoup requires slf4j version 1/2 and does not
"re-export" it a.k.a. 'requires public'.)

This use case isn't possible on JDK 8 for JARs on the classpath, and
it's not supported on JDK 9 for modular JARs on the modulepath:

- If you have two versions of a modular JAR slf4j.jar in different
directories on the modulepath, then the first one to be found will
dominate, and that's what will be resolved for both Guava and JSoup.

- If you have two modular JARs slf4j_v1.jar and slf4j_v2.jar on the
modulepath, and Guava requires slf4j_v1 and JSoup requires slf4j_v2,
then launching 'java -m HelloWorld' will fail. The boot layer will
refuse to map the "same" packages from different slf4j_v* modules to
the application class loader.

The use case _is_ supported on JDK 9 for modular JARs loaded into
custom loaders of custom layers. That is, the Java Platform Module
System is perfectly capable of supporting the use case -- please see
any of my "Jigsaw: Under The Hood" presentations. The use case just
isn't supported "out of the box" by the 'java' launcher for JARs on
the modulepath.

Alex



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