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Sven Linstaedt commented on KAFKA-2260:
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Is there a chance for this proposal being scheduled with Kafka 2.0? Or asking 
the other way round: What is needed for this KIP being included in the next 
release? 

> Allow specifying expected offset on produce
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>
>                 Key: KAFKA-2260
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-2260
>             Project: Kafka
>          Issue Type: Improvement
>            Reporter: Ben Kirwin
>            Priority: Minor
>         Attachments: KAFKA-2260.patch, expected-offsets.patch
>
>
> I'd like to propose a change that adds a simple CAS-like mechanism to the 
> Kafka producer. This update has a small footprint, but enables a bunch of 
> interesting uses in stream processing or as a commit log for process state.
> h4. Proposed Change
> In short:
> - Allow the user to attach a specific offset to each message produced.
> - The server assigns offsets to messages in the usual way. However, if the 
> expected offset doesn't match the actual offset, the server should fail the 
> produce request instead of completing the write.
> This is a form of optimistic concurrency control, like the ubiquitous 
> check-and-set -- but instead of checking the current value of some state, it 
> checks the current offset of the log.
> h4. Motivation
> Much like check-and-set, this feature is only useful when there's very low 
> contention. Happily, when Kafka is used as a commit log or as a 
> stream-processing transport, it's common to have just one producer (or a 
> small number) for a given partition -- and in many of these cases, predicting 
> offsets turns out to be quite useful.
> - We get the same benefits as the 'idempotent producer' proposal: a producer 
> can retry a write indefinitely and be sure that at most one of those attempts 
> will succeed; and if two producers accidentally write to the end of the 
> partition at once, we can be certain that at least one of them will fail.
> - It's possible to 'bulk load' Kafka this way -- you can write a list of n 
> messages consecutively to a partition, even if the list is much larger than 
> the buffer size or the producer has to be restarted.
> - If a process is using Kafka as a commit log -- reading from a partition to 
> bootstrap, then writing any updates to that same partition -- it can be sure 
> that it's seen all of the messages in that partition at the moment it does 
> its first (successful) write.
> There's a bunch of other similar use-cases here, but they all have roughly 
> the same flavour.
> h4. Implementation
> The major advantage of this proposal over other suggested transaction / 
> idempotency mechanisms is its minimality: it gives the 'obvious' meaning to a 
> currently-unused field, adds no new APIs, and requires very little new code 
> or additional work from the server.
> - Produced messages already carry an offset field, which is currently ignored 
> by the server. This field could be used for the 'expected offset', with a 
> sigil value for the current behaviour. (-1 is a natural choice, since it's 
> already used to mean 'next available offset'.)
> - We'd need a new error and error code for a 'CAS failure'.
> - The server assigns offsets to produced messages in 
> {{ByteBufferMessageSet.validateMessagesAndAssignOffsets}}. After this 
> changed, this method would assign offsets in the same way -- but if they 
> don't match the offset in the message, we'd return an error instead of 
> completing the write.
> - To avoid breaking existing clients, this behaviour would need to live 
> behind some config flag. (Possibly global, but probably more useful 
> per-topic?)
> I understand all this is unsolicited and possibly strange: happy to answer 
> questions, and if this seems interesting, I'd be glad to flesh this out into 
> a full KIP or patch. (And apologies if this is the wrong venue for this sort 
> of thing!)



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