hi folks recently ive taken over as administrator of our company e-mail system. one of the "perks" is that all undelivered mail is routed to me. this undelivered e-mail has included a number of islamic/muslim newsletters (south africa has a large and very active muslim community)(hence the large number of bombs etc a while ago - including a planet hollywood, and a macdonalds outlet!!) generally i just set the system to delete without reading - without wanting to reflect on islam/muslims as a whole (& i am sure that most of the newsletters are from the idiots that were so fairly distributed!!), most of the stuff that comes to me, is, for want of a better word, crap. (to explain the "idiots that were fairly distributed" someone on another list made the following truly wonderful statement: ""and I surely could not say that I hate a group, or even a country - I actually think that god or who ever is in charge - was fair as he spread idiots over the world - there appears to be a constant number all over the planet - what ever country they come from..."") but in view of the recent events i have been reading some of these newsletters, & came across the following two articles which i reproduce without any comment - form your own opinion!! so - read on at your own peril: posting 1: **************************************************************************************************************************************** Message: 3 Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 22:58:05 From: "shuaib" Subject: Fwd: [ Palestinian_Diary ] Masterminds Behind The American Tragedy What happened in lower Manhattan, NY city on Sept. 11. 2001 was devastating and totally unacceptable by anyone who profoundly understands the value and the importance of a human life. Thousands of innocent people (including several Muslims) lost their lives that day. My heart and prayers go out to everyone who lost their loved ones because of this tragedy. Right after the "attack on America" happened, the media deliberately started projecting that this heinous crime was perpetrated and committed by the Muslims namely (Usama Ben Laden). Also, that Muslims in America and all around the world are the culprits and are responsible for this in-humane act of terror. Q. Were these hijackers Muslims? If yes, what kind of Muslims? A. Not very good and true Muslims. There is a good reason why I believe that (if and only if they were Muslims) they were not good and true Muslims. So, who is behind all of this? Let me give you the following reasons and hints to who is behind this tragedy: Q. Who controls the media in America? And isn't this true that most of the ordinary and average people like us believe whatever we see, hear, and read thru media? Q. Why didn't the hijackers (If Muslims as projected) care about over 3000 good Muslims who worked in the twin towers on a daily basis? If their motive was to bring these buildings down, they could have done that over the weekend or at night time when very few people are in the buildings. Q. Why do this in the morning hours? A. Everyone is watching, in real time on TVs all around America. Q. Who was that gentleman on the street at about 9:08 AM With a cam-coder in his hands making the video, which captured and recorded the incident of the first plane hitting the tower? How come he was there at the right place, at the right time? Media involvement, planned out act of terror, and again who controls the media? Chain of the events happened in US gradually, momentarily, and step by step. Moments after the attack and collapse of the WTC, media showed Palestinian kids and one female in hijab (symbols of Muslim women) clapping, singing, and celebrating. Different TV channels reported to the American viewers that Palestinians are happy and loving American loss while the entire America is mourning this tragedy. Q. How long does it takes to gather hungry and abandoned bunch of kids to clap, sing, and jump up and down in front of the camera in Palestine? Q. Did anyone notice the time zone? It was morning here, and with 7 hours difference in time zone, it was same daylight time in Palestine! (very interesting). FBI and FEMA reported that one of the suspects Mr. Mohamed Atta and others were on the list for most wanted in car and bus bombings in Israel. At one time the Israeli army captured this person and few years later he was released by them. Q. What happened when he was in Israeli jail? Brain washed? Funded and harbored? Forced? Set up? Paid off in mighty $? Q. How in the world Mr. M. Atta and his associates come inside the US borders, lived on the US soil, received training to fly planes openly when he was on the FBI wanted list, without the protection, umbrella, and a free ticket by someone very powerful in US to roam around without any problem? FBI received a tip from a passenger who boarded a different plan and reached his destination safely that he had a confrontation with two middle eastern gentlemen at the Logan airport in Boston, MA. He gave them the exact location of their stranded car parked in the lot, where FBI found the (Manuel on how to fly a plane) in Arabic language. Also, they found the information leading to the rental car and credit card information with which the 2 plane tickets were purchased from Boston to LA Q. People capable of plotting and executing such a sophisticated plan would leave the Arabic language manual and other information in the rental car to be found later by the FBI. How dumb is that by professional terrorists? FBI reported that they traced the attackers to Florida where the FBI was told by the bar owner /manager that the two suspects came into the bar couple days ago and drank liquor heavily (Good true Muslims and drinking? Well yes I know some (M) do drink alcohol but true (Jihadi) Muslims?...Nahhhhhhhhhh). Q. Drinking and fighting with the bar manager over the bill, possibility to get the police involved, be in position to get caught, blow up and jeopardize their well thought out and long awaited plan? I don't think so. One report said, struggle in the plane, which crashed in PA. Phone calls were made from the plane. One man called his mother in California for (1 full minute) in which he told her that the plane has been hijacked, he loves his mother and family very much, also that hijackers have sharp knives. No description given at all abou the ethnic background, race, color etc. Flight attendant called her family and told them that hijackers have knives, she is been stabbed, and even told them the seat # of the hijackers but no description given at all. Q. Was the hijackers hiding their face? Why these both callers could not see or judge and identify the hijackers identity? Plane tickets were purchased by credit card of Mr.. M. Atta, leading FBI and swat teams to the Westin hotel where 3 of the helpers were waiting after almost over 29 hours of the initial attack on WTC. Q. How idiotic is this for people who are assigned and trained to pull off an attack and destroy (WTC) the landmark of success and freedom of America? Some said that while the associates of hi-hijackers were waiting for the FBI to show up and arrest them, they ordered Pizza with Black Olives and took turns taking short naps. In 1993, unsuccessful WTC bombing happened, 6 people died, over 1000 injured. Several Arabs were arrested including Mr. Mohamed Ramzi Yusouf in Pakistan. Still in jail in Colorado awaiting his punishment. HBO Movie in 1995 (Road to Paradise) in which the story of the WTC was told and at the end of the Movie Mr. Ramzi Yusouf was quoted looking at the twin towers, "next time we will bring them both down". Q. Who the hell made that Movie and predicted in the Movie that this will happen some day in the future and how did they reached this conclusion? Again, who controls and operates the media and the movie business? In conclusion: There is a good reason to believe that Prime Minister of Israel Mr. Ariel Sharon and Israeli intelligence is behind this tragedy. So far they have been very successful in killing not only 1, not 2, but three birds with only one bullet. 1.. Create hostile conditions for Muslims in the US and all over the world. 2.. Have US bomb and stop any kind of aid to the 3rd world Muslim countries like Palestine, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. 3.. The biggest threat to Israel in Middle Eastern region is Usama Ben Laden, and making the US public, the US government, and the entire world believe that Usama is the master mind behind the American tragedy, will have Usama killed for Israel by the US military. Basically, create chaos between Muslims & Christians, sit back and watch over and benefit from the chain of events and destruction among Muslims & Christians. Prime example: Threats of retaliations and attacks have already begun on Mosques, in schools, and at workplace. Good and true Muslims are being called terrorists, followers of Usama & Sadaam, harassed for something they have no control or influence over. As American-Muslim, I hope that whatever happens in the coming days, months, and years brings peace and calm to our beautiful world. Be safe, show that you care, and watch your back at this sad time in America. Mr. Sharon and Israel, the masterminds behind the American tragedy. ********************************************************************* second post - at least they mark this one (reliable?) 6. 4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day of the Attack (reliable?) TEXT: "4000 Israeli Employees in WTC Absent the Day of the Attack With the announcement of the attacks at the World Trade Center in New York, the international media, particularly the Israeli one, hurried to take advantage of the incident and started mourning 4000 Israelis who work at the two towers. Then suddenly, no one ever mentioned anything about those Israelis and later it became clear that they remarkably did not show up in their jobs the day the incident took place. No one talked about any Israeli being killed or wounded in the attacks. Arab diplomatic sources revealed to the Jordanian al-Watan newspaper that those Israelis remained absent that day based on hints from the Israeli General Security Apparatus, the Shabak, the fact which evoked unannounced suspicions on American officials who wanted to know how the Israeli government learned about the incident before it occurred, and the reasons why it refrained from informing the U.S authorities of the information it had. Suspicions had increased further after Israeli newspaper Yadiot! Ahranot revealed that the Shabak prevented Israeli premier Ariel Sharon from traveling to New York and particularly to the city's eastern coast to participate in a festival organized by the Zionist organizations in support of the "Israel". Aharon Bernie, the commentator at the newspaper, brought up the issue and came up with a negative conclusion, saying "no answer". He then asked about the clue behind the Shabak's position in preventing Sharon's participation, and again without giving an answer. Bernie added that Sharon, who was delighted for having his speech on top of the festival agenda, asked the head of the organization to mediate and convince the Shabak to change its position, but his attempts were in vein. The next day after Sharon's secretary officially announced that Sharon would not participate the incident took place. For its part, the Israeli Ha'aretz newspaper revealed that the FBI arrested five Israelis four hours after the attack on the Twin Towers while filming the smoking skyline from the roof of their company's building. The FBI had arrested the five for "puzzling behavior". They are said to have been caught videotaping the disaster in what was interpreted as cries of joy and mockery. Muslims March in New York to Say "Islam Is Not Terrorism" Amid More Violence Against Them 9/16/2001 - 9/18/2001 Contact Us : [EMAIL PROTECTED]