You're a good sport, Vince. I appreciate discussing these things with you. So cathartic for me. In retrospect, I went off on a bit of a rant in my two posts on eminem yesterday, I think. I feel like a bit of an ogre today for not being more diplomatic. Please forgive me if my tone was harsh. Oh, and sorry about the delusional thing, too. Didn't mean it. I got carried away.
vince wrote: > Still working on Jay-Z's oeuvre... and trying to figure out exactly who > Ludacris' "Move Bitch, get out the way" is directed to, and why. > > > <clip> Clip? Clip?! Hey, no fair! That 'As if' stuff I wrote was my favorite part of the whole rant! You could've honored that with a response, dawg. I thought that "melts in your mouth, not in your hands thing" was pretty doggone clever. Eminem's no John Brown, get it? Reminiscent of our Civil War/slavery tete a tete a couple years ago...remember? No? Nevermind. :-) > I am waiting for Lynne Cheney and Tipper Gore to unite in having congressional > hearings on how Wagner is everything you have said below, and thus his music > should be banned, or at the least, warnings must be printed on each album. The > old joke about 2LiveCrew is always appropriate: had they said in Italian, > they'd be acclaimed as genius on every classical musical station in the > country. Politics in Opera would be an interesting discussion, I think. I'm not suggesting that any bells be unrung with regard to Wagner's compositions. I personally wouldn't be able to sit through it being performed though. I'd be thinking about the Holocaust the whole time. What was the title of that book about Wagner I read a while back..._The Dark Side of Genius_, I think. Chilling read. > It was only in 1997 > that I finally went to see Wagner for the first time (someone else bought the > ticket) precisely because what you say is correct, if understated, he was > literally a father of Nazi culture. But eventually I thought the opera was > going to be done anyway whether I went or not and I am always the one who > argues that we should experience everything, maybe especially when we know what > it is about, and so I saw Flying Dutchman. I understand. I could see maybe listening to some Wagner for anthropological purposes myself some day, maybe. On second thought, nah. To hell with him. I said: > > I'll confine my sympathy for the devil to the Rolling > > Stones tour, thank you. :-) > Vince said: > The Stones tour was fine and Jagger sang Sympathy in fine voice. Now me again: I saw the Rolling Stones last week, too, at San Francisco's PacBell Park. Home of the almost-world-champion San Francisco Giants. In fact, I actually called Paz in New orleans on my cell phone during their performance of "Sympathy..." so I could share the moment with him and sing "woo woo, woo woo!" in his ear at the appropriate juncture. I was jazzed to hear that one live. I kidded: > > I mean, Eminem couldn't even pronounce "Wagner." Vince replyed: > I suspect he could! :-) There is some great musicianship > underlying his beats, but there I go getting started again.... > You go right ahead, Vince. I have nothing but respect for you and your views, even when we differ. Love and wonderful weekends to you all, Julius
