Mack wrote:
I don't see the trend. Dancehall girls way back when. Marilyn in the 50's.Janis in the 60's. Maybe when forced to look at things differently, when it
involves our own young and our own motives, we are not quite as evolved or
as free as we once ascribed to be.
Hi makc, I just can't stop beating this dead horse :)) So are we to think of Christina Agularia rolling around half naked with 10 sweaty guys lurking on, the modern day equivalent to Marylin being carried by tuxedoed men singing "Diamonds are a girls best friend......"? I am seriously asking this, because maybe it's true, and that scares the hell out of me, as I said before, when does it become too much, it has to hit a wall somewhere??? Will my daughter's children seeStove Top Stuffing being sold by a topless dancer smearing butter all over herself and be unphased by it??? I know some people would love this...lol, but do you know what I mean? I definitely look at it in a very different light now that I have a child of my own.
thanks for listening AGAIN!
Erica
From: "mack watson-bush" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "mack watson-bush" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "JMDL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: wh*res, atheists and bare trees...njd
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:14:50 -0600
Lieve wrote:
> do kids perceive as "normal" when they're fed this stuff all day?
Of course there is that question again. Just what is "normal" and who is
defining it? Would suppose that most folks here think they are normal
(according to the standard definition) but in the general populace I doubt
they would be found as such. A hundred years ago many of us would have been
killed for what we consider normal, for us. Have pondered over Erica's
comments and find them with much validity as I, too, have struggled with
what I find acceptable or objectionable, in regards to my neices and
nephews. My nephew came home from school one day, while living for a time
with me, and announced "my friends think you are too strict." I was put
aback by that comment and realized that, though liberal in some areas, I was
extremely rigid in others (the children I deemed proper for him to play
with, what movies I would let him view, etc.). I, too, have been shocked
and disgusted by the crotch grabbing entertainers but worry that if we, as a
society, start putting parameters and controls over what others may say and
do then we are just as guilty as the Puritans of stifling freedom. Just
what is our ultimate goal? Maybe it is just me, sensitive to those issues,
since not so very long ago, and perhaps again in the future, homosexuals
were not allowed out of their cages without special circumstance. But who
draws the lines, who makes the rules? And where do they stop? Do they
stop?
Yes, in the sixties a singer with a cute
> face may have sold more than someone less attractive and that was
exploited
> too, and from there on we had more and more suggestive moves and pouting
> lips and the works,
Didn't our parents say much the same things that are being said today, about
the music and societal changes of the 60's? Maybe we all should just take
it all off and take away some of the excitement and the intrigue.
my own desire to live and let live and be tolerant, I see it as
> my duty to react against this cheap slutty trend.
I don't see the trend. Dancehall girls way back when. Marilyn in the 50's.
Janis in the 60's. Maybe when forced to look at things differently, when it
involves our own young and our own motives, we are not quite as evolved or
as free as we once ascribed to be.
the only "correct" love relationship is one on one. If someone feels (or
> expresses) love for more than one person, and it is considered more than
> friendship (which I think is an artificial distinction anyway) then they
are
> judged as having "cheated" and the other party is made to feel betrayed
and
> hurt and jealous.
A profound thought that deserves more attention, but, one that could be
classified as rather abnormal in this culture and could be seen by others as
more or less the same downing down of our morals and our society. How can
we decry sexual displays on one hand and on the other put forth the notion
that one on one relationships are somehow not correct? Who makes the rules?
I surely don't have the answers any more than the next person, just my
thoughts.
mack
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