I agree with Hans...Mitch maybe your discussion could be 2-fold: 1. How developers (small ones) can work with our entrepreneur clients who think a website can be built for free...how do we manage that, and what ideas can be used to work from 'both sides'...
2. How to convince our 'small clients', the ones that don't want to spend $100 + a month maintenance to pay just to upgrade from 1.0 to 1.5...and that the joomla system can not run completely without any costs...if they had a physical store front they would have to pay for rent, plumbing, electrical, etc...but with this virtual front many think it should be free... 3. Maybe from a 'client's' perspective of what is realistic as far as costs to run a simple joomla site, with having a programmer assist you...what are the 'going rates'... Again, from small clients, as many not for profit small businesses are turning to joomla because it is much less expensive than a custom built system, but it can't be built for nothing... -- Laura ________________________________ Attend JoomlaDayNYC.com! October 12, 2009 - Register Online! www.RytechSites.com Create Dynamic Websites for your Company with Joomla! CMS Create Captivating Websites for your Business with HTML/FLASH ....the choice is yours! ________________________________ From: Hans C. Kaspersetz <[email protected]> To: NYPHP SIG: Joomla <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 8:53:31 AM Subject: Re: [joomla] Joomla for Entrepreneurs Mitch, I saw your tweet and I have been thinking about it for a couple of days. Over the last 5 years we have been approached to build websites for start-ups many times. Usually, the entrepreneur has an idea for a business online and those ideas come in a few general forms: 1. They want to build content and generate advertising revenue. 2. They want to build a community and generate advertising revenue. 3. They want to build a custom application and generate subscription revenue or licensing revenue. Typically, their ideas are not that well formed and they do not have ANY experience building/running an online business. Entrepreneurs by their nature are idea people or visionaries not managers or technicians, thank you Michael Gerber. So, the planning and development process becomes extremely iterative as they seek out their path and the truth about their business. They lurch from idea to idea as their vision comes to life. They don't have much experience so they don't really anticipate all the nuts and bolts that need to be built into the site. The other truth about entrepreneurs, who find us, is they have NO MONEY. Or they are unwilling to spend a lot of money to test their idea out. So version one of their idea needs to be boot strapped with open source technology. Technology in which most of the fundamental requirements are already implemented. By boot strapping with open source technology, we can focus on building out just their idea, not all the foundational stuff like ACL and content management. To serve this type of customer, we have found that deploying a CMS or an application framework, like Joomla! is the most productive and delivers the fastest results. Joomla! handles many of the core requirements out of the box. We just build components and modules to implement the idea. Granted sometimes we have to modify the core to meet specific needs, however generally we do not. The question I have for you is, who is the target of your talk? Is it Joomla! developers who have to deal with entrepreneurs? Or is it the entrepreneurs? In both cases, I think there is a great talk to be found in my observations above. How can Joomla! developers better meet the needs of entrepreneurs and make more money? On the flip side, how can entrepreneurs be more educated about development using an open source platform like Joomla! and how can that boot strap their business? Is your talk a business talk or a technology talk? Answer some of those questions and I think we have the opportunity at some great dialog! Hans -- Hans C. Kaspersetz Cyber X Designs, LLC Office: 201-558-7929 [email protected] http://www.cyberxdesigns.com Cyber X Designs, P.O. BOX 3008, Hoboken, NJ 07030 United States This email is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. Dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail or the information herein by anyone other than the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail by mistake, please delete it from your system immediately and notify [email protected]. > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mitch Pirtle > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 9:00 PM > To: NYPHP SIG: Joomla > Subject: [joomla] Joomla for Entrepreneurs > > Ok, asked the almighty Twitter for what topics would be of > interest, and got nothing but crickets. > > Now I'm trying the list, hoping for more ;-) > > If you were to attend a session called "Joomla for > Entrepreneurs", what topics would you find the most > interesting or valuable? > > -- Mitch > _______________________________________________ > New York PHP SIG: Joomla! 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