Hi Orie, thanks for your feedback.

I think the point about the specific use cases is not specific to hybrid 
composite signatures, but could also be raised for pure PQ signatures, which 
didn’t prevent the COSE ML-DSA draft to be adopted by the COSE WG.

The LAMPS composite draft has already been adopted and is in WGLC. Given the 
2030 migration timelines announced by several security agencies and 
organizations, I also believe waiting too long to standardize such mechanisms 
could make it difficult for some systems to achieve compliance in time.

Best,

Lucas

From: Orie <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2025 3:11 PM
To: John Mattsson <[email protected]>
Cc: Lucas Prabel <[email protected]>; [email protected]; 
[email protected]; cose <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [jose] Re: Call for Adoption request: 
draft-prabel-jose-pq-composite-sigs-04

Hi,

Adding COSE because of the draft title.

I think composite signatures for JOSE & COSE do not make a lot of sense for the 
common cases of short lived access tokens.
For longer lived identity credentials they might make sense, especially if you 
are shipping hardware with no ability to upgrade that is going to speak COSE, 
perhaps in long lived smart building IoT scenarios?
I would tend to wait for TLS / LAMPs (to successfully adopt documents) and 
align with them.

OS




On Thu, Oct 2, 2025 at 5:17 AM John Mattsson 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
 wrote:
Dear Lucas,

My recollection is that the draft was presented at IETF 121 where several 
people stated that they did not think JOSE should work on composite signatures. 
At IETF 123 the draft almost did not get any time and there were no discussion.

I am sorry that the chairs did not do their AP to "Chairs will send an email 
soliciting comments on whether we are ready to do a call for adoption." Good 
that you did.

I notice that TLS WG at IETF 123 seems to have decided to not work on 
composites at this point in time.
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/123/materials/slides-123-tls-wg-status-00

The chairs would like to hear the current opinion of the working group.

Cheers,
John

From: Lucas Prabel <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Date: Thursday, 2 October 2025 at 10:06
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Cc: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: [jose] Call for Adoption request: 
draft-prabel-jose-pq-composite-sigs-04
Dear JOSE WG,

I am one of the co-authors of the individual draft 
draft-prabel-jose-pq-composite-sigs-04 (draft-prabel-jose-pq-composite-sigs-04 
- PQ/T Hybrid Composite Signatures for JOSE and 
COSE<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-prabel-jose-pq-composite-sigs/04/>).

The draft has been presented in two IETF meetings, including IETF 123 in July. 
We have addressed the feedback received both on the mailing list and onsite 
during the sessions.  The draft is also aligned with related work in other 
groups, in particular the COSE draft on ML-DSA and the LAMPS draft on composite 
signatures.

We believe the document is in a good state to serve as a starting point for 
further work within the JOSE WG. Therefore, we would like to ask the chairs to 
consider issuing a Call for Adoption.

We also welcome further comments and feedback on the draft from the working 
group.

Best regards,
Lucas
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