Common Dirk take it easy and do not discourage so easely, We know you are a well-meaning person. Discusions are for sharing our thoughts, the more open the better, others can dissent as well
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 8:00 AM, <josm-dev-requ...@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > Send josm-dev mailing list submissions to > josm-dev@openstreetmap.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > josm-dev-requ...@openstreetmap.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > josm-dev-ow...@openstreetmap.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of josm-dev digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: JOSM donations? (Dirk St?cker) > 2. Re: JOSM donations? (Frederik Ramm) > 3. Re: JOSM donations? (Josh Doe) > 4. Re: JOSM donations? (Richard Welty) > 5. Re: JOSM donations? (Dirk St?cker) > 6. Re: JOSM donations? (M?rtin Koppenhoefer) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Dirk Stöcker" <openstreet...@dstoecker.de> > To: josm-dev@openstreetmap.org > Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 19:44:45 +0200 (CEST) > Subject: Re: [josm-dev] JOSM donations? > Hello, > > after careful considerations I drop that idea completely. Although I still > think it is a good idea I'm not willing to care for the resulting trouble to > be expected. > > Beside the reaction from Karl and missing answers from Frederik also > another discussion with the author of NewTags preset is the reason. He does > not like the new possibilities the wiki style editing of presets offers - > which I can accept even if I don't understand it (NOTE: all attachements to > the Presets page have been converted to wiki style, external links stay as > they are). > > So instead of following my advice to either use that new collaborative > system or simply add a link to the file hosted on his page and me deleting > the wiki we had a lengthy discussion with the result that he states "due to > security reasons it is no longer possible to offer that through JOSM presets > list". Well, this is total nonsense. > > Sometimes I'm very discouraged to care for JOSM and I'm not sure if it is > really worth the effort anymore. Each and every time something new is > introduced or something is changed you get unacceptable comments and flames. > Sometimes this can get too much even for me. > > Ciao > -- > http://www.dstoecker.eu/ (PGP key available) > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Frederik Ramm <frede...@remote.org> > To: josm-dev@openstreetmap.org > Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 20:46:42 +0200 > Subject: Re: [josm-dev] JOSM donations? > Hi, > > Dirk Stöcker wrote: > >> So instead of following my advice to either use that new collaborative >> system or simply add a link to the file hosted on his page and me deleting >> the wiki we had a lengthy discussion with the result that he states "due to >> security reasons it is no longer possible to offer that through JOSM presets >> list". Well, this is total nonsense. >> > > Not related to this thread on the German forum by any chance? > > http://forum.openstreetmap.**org/viewtopic.php?id=13269<http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=13269> > > I hope you draw some consolation from the fact that a large number of > people actually tried to explain things to this guy. > > But certainly - the moment that money comes into the equation (e.g. a > bounty offered for some problem to be solved) it will become much harder for > the maintainer to make decisions. Currently if someone submits a patch you > can always say "I don't like it, you'd have to modify this and that and that > for it to be accepted". If money was on the table then the submitter would > promptly accuse you of being biased, of wanting to afford the money to one > of your cronies, or what not. Certainly not an enviable position to be in. > > Sometimes I'm very discouraged to care for JOSM and I'm not sure if it is >> really worth the effort anymore. Each and every time something new is >> introduced or something is changed you get unacceptable comments and flames. >> Sometimes this can get too much even for me. >> > > In the thread I mentioned above, someone cautioned the complainant to be > polite when writing to you because you were "more important than 50 > mappers". > > Bye > Frederik > > -- > Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33" > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Josh Doe <j...@joshdoe.com> > To: josm-dev@openstreetmap.org > Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 14:45:47 -0400 > Subject: Re: [josm-dev] JOSM donations? > On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Dirk Stöcker <openstreet...@dstoecker.de > >wrote: > > > Sometimes I'm very discouraged to care for JOSM and I'm not sure if it is > > really worth the effort anymore. Each and every time something new is > > introduced or something is changed you get unacceptable comments and > flames. > > Sometimes this can get too much even for me. > > > Unfortunately this always happens, especially with popular software. Let me > just say that I am very thankful for the effort you (and others) put into > JOSM, as it is a very well designed piece of software that has made mapping > OSM so much easier and better. > > Thank you for your hard work! > -Josh > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Richard Welty <rwe...@averillpark.net> > To: josm-dev@openstreetmap.org > Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 19:35:02 -0400 > Subject: Re: [josm-dev] JOSM donations? > On 8/2/11 2:45 PM, Josh Doe wrote: > >> On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Dirk >> Stöcker<openstreetmap@**dstoecker.de<openstreet...@dstoecker.de> >> >wrote: >> >> Sometimes I'm very discouraged to care for JOSM and I'm not sure if it is >>> really worth the effort anymore. Each and every time something new is >>> introduced or something is changed you get unacceptable comments and >>> flames. >>> Sometimes this can get too much even for me. >>> >> >> Unfortunately this always happens, especially with popular software. Let >> me >> just say that I am very thankful for the effort you (and others) put into >> JOSM, as it is a very well designed piece of software that has made >> mapping >> OSM so much easier and better. >> > yes, thanks. > > JOSM is my preferred editor for OSM by a very substantial margin. please > keep up the good work. > > richard > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Dirk Stöcker" <openstreet...@dstoecker.de> > To: josm-dev@openstreetmap.org > Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 10:40:45 +0200 (CEST) > Subject: Re: [josm-dev] JOSM donations? > On Tue, 2 Aug 2011, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > Not related to this thread on the German forum by any chance? >> >> http://forum.openstreetmap.**org/viewtopic.php?id=13269<http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=13269> >> > > Yes. > > I hope you draw some consolation from the fact that a large number of >> people actually tried to explain things to this guy. >> > > I know that most people aren't like this, but sometimes a few get to your > nerves. It is not like he was not polite, but writing lengthy explaining > mails and then receiving total ignorance at the other side is hard for me (I > have more problems with ignorance than I have with flames and harsh > language). > > The problem is, that after each change and each release I have to handle > people of the "you did silly changes, revert it" and especially for minor > things (In this case he simple needs to enter a valid URL to point to his > file instead of uploading them to the wiki as attachement). > > Which does not mean such discussion are bad in any case. Some discussions > in the past lead to much better implementations then the original design > was. But as always this needs the will to understand both views and try to > find a solution which are improvement for both sides involved. > > Sometimes I'm very discouraged to care for JOSM and I'm not sure if it >>> is >>> really worth the effort anymore. Each and every time something new is >>> introduced or something is changed you get unacceptable comments and >>> flames. Sometimes this can get too much even for me. >>> >> >> In the thread I mentioned above, someone cautioned the complainant to be >> polite when writing to you because you were "more important than 50 >> mappers". >> > > The mass of silently people who actually appreciate my work and that of our > contributors are the only reason why I do it. Otherwise I would have dropped > somewhere near release 700 when all this fuss started with the virtual nodes > implementation. > > Ciao > -- > http://www.dstoecker.eu/ (PGP key available) > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "M∡rtin Koppenhoefer" <dieterdre...@gmail.com> > To: Josh Doe <j...@joshdoe.com> > Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 10:46:44 +0200 > Subject: Re: [josm-dev] JOSM donations? > 2011/8/2 Josh Doe <j...@joshdoe.com>: > > On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Dirk Stöcker <openstreet...@dstoecker.de > >wrote: > > just say that I am very thankful for the effort you (and others) put into > > JOSM, as it is a very well designed piece of software that has made > mapping > > OSM so much easier and better. > > > > Thank you for your hard work! > > +1 > > JOSM improved tremendously in the past 3 years that I followed this. > I'd propose it as "Editor for Beginners and Experts" now, what wasn't > actually realistic in the earlier revisions (it was only recommendable > for experts due to the lack of usability). I really like the way JOSM > became customizable and extendable (mappaint-styles, presets). > > cheers, > Martin > > > > _______________________________________________ > josm-dev mailing list > josm-dev@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev > > _______________________________________________ josm-dev mailing list josm-dev@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/josm-dev
