Err hmmm I thought I explained it. Let me try again.

This is invalid:

<ul>
  <ul><li></li></ul>
</ul>

This is valid:

<ul>
  <li>
    <ul><li></li></ul>
  </li>
</ul>

Anything that you want to put as a "child" of a list has to be either
an LI or wrapped in an LI. That's just the way things are.

Hmmm let's see if I can't explain it another way...

The following is valid HTML (but not XHTML), as in HTML the </li> is "optional":

<ul>
  <li>Blah
  <li>Blah
</ul>

Now if you want to add a "sub-list" you could write it like this:

<ul>
  <li>Blah
  <li>Blah
    <ul>
      <li>Blah
    </ul>
</ul>

To make the "containment" explicit, it would be the same as writing this:

<ul>
  <li>Blah</li>
  <li>Blah
    <ul>
      <li>Blah</li>
    </ul>
  </li>
</ul>

So when you write:

<ul>
  <li>Blah</li>
  <li>Blah</li>
  <ul>
    <li>Blah</li>
  </ul>
</ul>

Many browsers (IE being the chief example) turn it into this:

<ul>
  <li>Blah</li>
  <li>Blah
    <ul>
      <li>Blah</li>
    </ul>
  </li>
</ul>

Is that clear enough?

Karl Rudd

On 9/6/07, Pops <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Sorry if I am a dounce, but I still don't see the invalidity of it.
>
> Do you have an example to show how this is incorrect in relationship
> to anything (DOM? CSS?) ?
>
> The technical problem I see using this wrapping method is that you get
> redundant (bubbling?) events.  Is that right?
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> HLS
>
>
>
> On Sep 6, 1:57 am, "Karl Rudd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > He's referring to how lists (UL and OL) are built up in the DOM (from
> > the HTML). Lists can only have LI elements as children.
> >
> > So these are valid:
> >
> > <ul>
> >   <li>blah</li>
> > </ul>
> >
> > <ul>
> >   <li>blah
> >     <ul>
> >       <li>blah</li>
> >     </ul>
> >   </li>
> > </ul>
> >
> > But these are invalid:
> >
> > <ul>
> >   <ul>
> >     <li>blah</li>
> >   </ul>
> > </ul>
> >
> > <ul>
> >   <li>blah</li>
> >   <ul>
> >     <li>blah</li>
> >   </ul>
> > </ul>
> >
> > Browsers probably attempt to twist the invalid code into a valid
> > format, but you can't be sure it's going be what you expect.
> >
> > Karl Rudd
> >
> > On 9/6/07, Pops <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > Klaus,
> >
> > > Today, this has thrown me for a loop:
> >
> > > > Is that reallly the HTML? If so, it is invalid and you cannot expect any
> > > > selector to be reliable in any browsers. I'm not refering to the missing
> > > > slashes in the closing tag - I assume you just left them out in the
> > > > example here -, but the incorrectly nested inner ul.
> >
> > > I think I matched it as you think, wrapping  LI around a UI
> >
> > > <ul>
> > >   <li> item1 </li>
> > >   <li> Item2
> > >     <ul>
> > >         <li> item1 </li>
> > >         <li> item1 </li>
> > >     </ul>
> > >   </li>
> > > </ul>
> >
> > > But why is the followng is this invalid?
> >
> > > <ul>
> > >   <li> item1 </li>
> > >   <li> Item2 </li>
> > >     <ul>
> > >         <li> item1 </li>
> > >         <li> item1 </li>
> > >     </ul>
> > > </ul>
> >
> > > The reason I ask is becaus thiis idiom you provided:
> >
> > >     The first li of a ul is:
> > >    $('ul>li:first-child')
> >
> > > Works for both.  I don't think neither are invalid.
> >
> > > Are you referring to how menus plugins rely on a wrap?
> >
> > > What I am missing?
> >
> > > --
> > > HLS
>
>

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