I'm with gamera here. While tools are certain something you should touch on, for training/workshops you should not embed them as part of assignments or anything. They should know about them and what they do but not have to listen to them. Use them as learning tools, not governing tools.
- peter On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Lars Gunther <itpast...@gmail.com> wrote: > We are getting into a discussion more related to pedagogics than any factual > problems in my text. > > First of all, the text is not a lesson plan nor is it supposed toe be a > complete overview of every JavaScript quirk. > > If anyone is interested, work has been progressing, with many good > suggestions on Githib by Raynos from this list: > > https://github.com/itpastorn/programmering-1-med-js/blob/master/javascript-quirks.markdown > > As for lint tools I do use them as well as the HTML and CSS validator in > class. It saves me as a teacher a ton of time. Whenever a student runs into > a problem I demand that they validate and/or lint their code first, before > they ask me for help. (not on day one, of course!) > > In many cases this will help them fix the problem, which more often than not > is having something spelled badly or missing a semi-colon. Give me a dollar > for every semi-colon my students have missed and I'd be a rich man indeed! > > In some instances students do not know what the error means, but I will as a > teacher be abla to pinpoint the problem faster. And a learning opportunity > arises: "See how this code was fragile because you..." > > In those cases where the error is not fixed by validation or linting at > least I get a better code to look at. It makes the next problem solving step > easier. > > I even tell them to use the whitespace option in JSHint, even though > Crockford's rules are *not* according to my tastes. It has however two > benefits: > > 1. It forces them to indent their code. Many of my students really do not > think that indentation is necessary. It's just something "the teacher says" > or that they will "do later". > > 2. It enforces a visual difference between invocation of functions and other > usage of parenthesis. This too aids learning. > > I used to be more relaxed about style rules, but having spent hundreds of > hours trying to chase down a problem in student code that is badly indented, > typed with no space[1] or mixes simple technical problems with real > functional ones has made me change my mind. > > > Lars Gunther > > > [1] Example of code that uses no white space at all: > > if(foo<bar){baz=6*zoo;} > > Read a few hundred lines like that daily and try to maintain your mental > health.... > > > 2012-01-14 01:31, Jared Hirsch skrev: >> >> Hmm, at the risk of sounding a little flamey, I disagree. If you aren't >> going to blow students away with something like SICP, you might as well >> equip them to experience the joy and pain of building real products. >> >> I'd even suggest you have them release code on day one of class via >> heroku or no.de <http://no.de>, both of which host node apps in the >> >> cloud and are generally awesome. >> >>> On Jan 13, 2012 3:39 AM, "gamera" <gam...@detuner.org >>> <mailto:gam...@detuner.org>> wrote: >>> >>> I am against the use of linter in the context of teaching. Linters are >>> tools to aid production, in the context of teams with differently >>> skilled developers. >>> Teaching should be more about facts, and not shortcuts. >>> >>> The ECMA-262 standard is a better source of information, IHMO, or the >>> excellent series by Dmitry Soshnikov. >>> >>> >>> see section #7.9.1/7.9.2 of ECMA-262 standard. >>> >>> >>> On Jan 13, 2012, at 12:57 AM, Lars Gunther wrote: >>> >>> > Hi again >>> > >>> > It seems I have evangelized quit... >>> >> -- >> To view archived discussions from the original JSMentors Mailman list: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/jsmentors@jsmentors.com/ >> >> To search via a non-Google archive, visit here: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/jsmentors@googlegroups.com/ >> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> jsmentors+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > > > > -- > Lars Gunther > http://keryx.se/ > http://twitter.com/itpastorn/ > http://itpastorn.blogspot.com/ > > -- > To view archived discussions from the original JSMentors Mailman list: > http://www.mail-archive.com/jsmentors@jsmentors.com/ > > To search via a non-Google archive, visit here: > http://www.mail-archive.com/jsmentors@googlegroups.com/ > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > jsmentors+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com -- To view archived discussions from the original JSMentors Mailman list: http://www.mail-archive.com/jsmentors@jsmentors.com/ To search via a non-Google archive, visit here: http://www.mail-archive.com/jsmentors@googlegroups.com/ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to jsmentors+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
