Yes, I'm sure that getting support may be a problem. It hasn't been a problem
for us so I didn't think about it. We purchased New Atlanta and it has been just
awesome. When installed there were a few issues, and New Atlanta helped our
Systems Group over the phone and had everything working in no time. As far as
"how many commercial engines are there for JSP", there are many more for JSP
than for ASP.
Brian N. Burridge
http://www.burridge.net/jsp
Web Specialist
Val-Pak/Cox Target Media
Shah, Mayank (RSCH) wrote:
> There is one simple reason for having a released spec: SUPPORT!
>
> How many JSP commercial engines are available today?
>
> Of these how many say that they will provide support if you are stuck with a
> problem?
>
> If there is a problem, their reply is usually: "it has not been finalized
> yet"!
>
> HTML does not have a final spec, but it does have HTML 1, HTML 2, HTML 3,
> HTML 4.....
>
> Let's see, what do we have from sun:
>
> JDK 1.0.2, JDK 1.1, JDK 1.1.1, JDK 1.1.2, JDK 1.1.3, JDK 1.1.4, .... JDK
> 1.2.
>
> So nothing is a final release , but there is final release till there is a
> new release!
>
> Mayank Shah
> Research Technology
> 212.449.0463
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Burridge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 1:33 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: 1.0 Spec First Quarter?
>
> I understand your desire to recieve the final spec, but keep
> in mind a few
> things. First, there never really is a final spec. Take HTML
> or Perl as an
> example. Second, although the final spec is not yet
> released, the current spec
> functions just fine. We are using it on live projects
> already, and we are
> simply ecstatic with JSP as a development environment. I
> look forward to spec
> 1, but don't know that it is going to mean any difference to
> our development
> whatsoever. Everything we need to do can be done, and is
> being done.
>
> One difference that might be making you more nervous is in
> how we are using
> JSP. I know that most people on this list seem to be very
> excited that JSP will
> be similiar to Cold Fusion. Whereas, my excitement about JSP
> is that it is
> nothing like Cold Fusion. Here at Val-Pak/Cox Target Media,
> we use only two
> tags in all our code: <%...%> and <usebean>. That's it. No
> other tags are used.
> The beauty of JSP (to me) is that it does inline Java. Java
> is stable and well
> supported, and what spec of JSP I'm using will not affect my
> Java code. I know
> this goes against some of the spec design and much of the
> discussion on this
> list, but the ability to inline Java, call db beans, and
> packages that we can
> download and/or purchase, is just amazing. The Java
> programming is much faster
> and easier to code than trying to build full servlets and
> compile them, and yet
> the speed is the same.
>
> My main point, is, that at least to us, the next spec will
> make zero difference
> in anything we do here. We aren't going to have to recode
> anything, we aren't
> going to gain any functionality (because we already have the
> full functionality
> of Java), and it isn't going to get any more stable (haven't
> had one case of
> server crash, or any other instability since we installed
> New Atlanta 3 months
> ago.)
>
> Hang in there, and don't worry about the future of JSP. As
> long as Java has a
> future, so does JSP.
>
> Brian N. Burridge
> Web Specialist
> Val-Pak/Cox Target Media
>
> Judd Salisbury wrote:
>
> > It is almost the end of the first quarter and I believe
> JavaSoft
> > committed to have the spec completed. I have been using
> JSP since July
> > 1998 when the spec was in version .90 and call me naive
> but I always
> > thought the final spec was just another month or two away.
> With each
> > month that pasts it becomes harder and harder for me to
> justify the use
> > of JSP. I have in the past been a great supporter of JSP
> in my
> > organization and have developed hundreds of pages using
> JSP, but I am
> > losing my political strength to defend the use of JSP in
> my
> > organization. I hate to say it but if the spec does not
> go gold in a
> > week or two I will have to recommend to my company to
> standardize on ASP
> > instead. I can no longer afford to defend a specification
> that can not
> > seem to make it out of the .9 something category. Could
> someone at
> > JavaSoft confirm that they will not be going to be hitting
> their own 1Q
> > deadline. And an explanation of what is holding them. At
> least then I
> > could tell my employer why the JSP spec will not be done
> by the first
> > quarter as I said it would be.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Judd
> >
> >
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