Anyway they will be read on the server not in the client layer. As soon as
the JSP file can be transformed to HTML and WML, your application will be
fine.
fribeiro
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marco M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: JSPs and XML.
> Hi Fernando,
> yeah but i am planning to write the JSPs in XML..
> thanx
> regards
> marco
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: EXT Fernando Ribeiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: 30. May 2000 18:21
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: JSPs and XML.
> >
> >
> > You can send HTML and WML to the browser after processing the
> > JSP tags in
> > JSP documents. WML seems to be a common MIME type and it will
> > be understood
> > by the browser in your cell phone.
> >
> > fribeiro
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Marco M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 11:47 AM
> > Subject: Re: JSPs and XML.
> >
> >
> > > Hi Joseph,
> > > is not possible to write some jsptags for
> > transforming JSP written
> > > in XML into HTML or WML or other??
> > > if yes, how?
> > > thanx in advance for your reply
> > > regards
> > > marco
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: EXT Joseph B. Ottinger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: 18. May 2000 11:58
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: Re: JSPs and XML.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 18 May 2000, Shawn McKisson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Coimments are interspersed.
> > > >
> > > > > The problem with using JSP for generating XML is that the
> > > > JSP wants to
> > > > > assume that it is sitting at the top level of your
> > > > application, i.e. it
> > > > > wants to send the response back to the client.
> > > >
> > > > It does? Funny, I use JSP to generate XML all the time,
> > and it goes
> > > > through XSL on the server...
> > > >
> > > > > >From what I understand, your current architecture
> > looks like this
> > > > >
> > > > > [db] <-----> [pl/sql] ---XML---> [XSL engine] --HTML via
> > > > HTTP---> [client]
> > > > >
> > > > > If we try to introduce JSP into this scenario we get
> > > > >
> > > > > [db] <-----> [pl/sql] ---data---> [JSP] ---XML via
> > HTTP--> [client]
> > > > >
> > > > > There is no room after the JSP layer to perform the XSL
> > > > transformation
> > > > > JSP does not allow for post processing of it's output in
> > > > order to perform
> > > > > the rendering. I believe this is because JSP is meant to be
> > > > used in as
> > > > > presentation generation language, not as a data mapping
> > > > language. Sure, you
> > > > > could chain this to another servlet which contained your
> > > > rendering code, but
> > > > > it is much cleaner to just have something like
> > > > >
> > > > > [db] <-----> [pl/sql] ---data---> [XML data mapping code]
> > > > ---XML--> [XSL
> > > > > engine] --XML/PDF/etc. via HTTP--> [client]
> > > > >
> > > > > It is the requirement that JSP respond to the client
> > that limits its
> > > > > usefulness in this context.
> > > >
> > > > Um, maybe you should switch to a better app server, one
> > that allows
> > > > chaining based on mime types. As stated, I use a design
> > something like
> > > > this:
> > > >
> > > > [db] --data--> [beans] --> jsp --XML+XSL--> HTML
> > > >
> > > > The XSL can be active content itself, so the HTML is
> > variable (I just
> > > > haven't used it for anything else.
> > > >
> > > > BTW, example content can be found at
> > > > http://www.orionsupport.com/ - don't
> > > > let the file extensions fool you, it's all JSP, XML, XSL.
> > > >
> > > > > --shawn
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Daniel Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 1:32 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: JSPs and XML.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Shawn,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We are doing something very similar, and we might as well
> > > > use JSP later
> > > > > > down the road so I'll get you my own reasoning.
> > > > > > Why? Because that way you have the data generated by
> > your action
> > > > > > completely independent of the way you present the data.
> > > > So independent
> > > > > > that you don't have to use Java to format this data or
> > > > even produce it.
> > > > > > For example, right now we skipped the JSP part because we
> > > > are generating
> > > > > > the XML directly from PL/SQL but if we have to add some
> > > > operations that
> > > > > > will be done better in Java (handling files...) we just
> > > > need to produce
> > > > > > XML from Java and use the same XSLT sheets as the PL/SQL
> > > > operations. Our
> > > > > > grahical designer won't even know if we are performing
> > > > the logic in
> > > > > > PL/SQL or Java. And you might ask then why use JSP
> > > > instead of generating
> > > > > > XML directly from servlets. Well, for the same reason we
> > > > generate HTML
> > > > > > through JSP instead of generating it directly from
> > > > servlets, to make the
> > > > > > result independent of the classes that implement it,
> > > > easier to produce
> > > > > > without getting into the code...
> > > > > > Another reason why one would want to generate XML from
> > > > JSP would be to
> > > > > > be able to forward this result to diferent XSLT and
> > > > produce WML, HTML,
> > > > > > ... using the same functionality but with diferent XSLT.
> > > > > > I understand that one might think, why add such an
> > > > overhead... Again,
> > > > > > JSPs are supposed not to be such an overhead because they
> > > > are compiled
> > > > > > into servlets the first time you access them (you might
> > > > even precompile
> > > > > > them sometimes) so they are more like a different way of
> > > > specifying your
> > > > > > output.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So, IMHO, if you are just producing HTML, you are just
> > > > performing your
> > > > > > operations in Java and you don't have a designer that can
> > > > play XSLT,
> > > > > > then there's no need to go for XML. But if you want to
> > > > produce different
> > > > > > ouput formats reusing the same functionality, you need to
> > > > seamlesly
> > > > > > integrate different sources of the information into your
> > > > HTML layer or
> > > > > > you have a designer that can play XSLT then you can get
> > > > some advantages
> > > > > > by using XML and you might want to produce it from Java
> > > > through JSP.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just my 2ec
> > > > > > Dan
> > > > > > -------------------------------------------
> > > > > > Daniel Lopez Janariz ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> > > > > > Web Services
> > > > > > Computer Center
> > > > > > Balearic Islands University
> > > > > > -------------------------------------------
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Shawn McKisson wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why would you want to take data, convert it into
> > > > another form of data
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > *then* convert it into HTML?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This is like pouring yourself a cold beer by first
> > > > pouring it from the
> > > > > > > bottle into one mug, then pouring that mug into
> > another mug.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If a you have a JSP page which does emit XML, you could
> > > > chain the output
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > that page through another servlet which performed
> > the XML/XSL
> > > > > conversion. So
> > > > > > > the XML/XSL servlet would use the JSP page as a data source.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There were some really good articles about 7-12
> > months ago on
> > > > > XML-INTEREST
> > > > > > > about this.
> > > > > > > If I can find them I will mail them to you.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --shawn
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: Robert Nicholson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 5:10 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: JSPs and XML.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I would like to know if a JSP app emits XML what
> > > > component of existing
> > > > > > > > application servers can translate that to whatever
> > > > presentation
> > > > > language
> > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > prefered? I want to understand how XSLT fits into
> > a JSP app's
> > > > > > > architecture.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: "Shawn McKisson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 9:15 PM
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: JSPs and XML.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Just return XML tags instead of only HTML tags.
> > > > > > > > > There is nothing special that needs to be done.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If you are going to just turn around and reprocess
> > > > the XML into HTML
> > > > > > > using
> > > > > > > > > something like XSL, then you are basically
> > > > needlessly supporting two
> > > > > > > > > presentation layers. You should reconsider your app
> > > > architecture.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --shawn
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > From: Bilal Ali Nawaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 1:36 AM
> > > > > > > > > Subject: JSPs and XML.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > hi all,
> > > > > > > > > > can anyone please direct me to some useful
> > > > resources on the web
> > > > > > > > concerning
> > > > > > > > > how
> > > > > > > > > > to output XML through a JSP? basically what i
> > > > want to study is
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > XML be
> > > > > > > > > > 'thrown' by a jsp just like HTML? and if so, how??
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > thanking all of you in advance,
> > > > > > > > > > bilal.
> > > > > > > > > >
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