Being a former ASP developer, and now involved with JSP implementations as
well as application server (and entire package implementation, including
commerce servers, app servers, personalization, etc...), I can say that the
arguments are valid (JSP was first closer to ASP; ATG's blending with JSP).
But, before JSP existed, ATG produced what they called jhtml, then when Sun
put together the Jave 2 Enterprise Edition, they licensed jhtml from ATG and
called it JSP. So, ATG created jhtml, and per this license press release
between them, Sun called it JSP.
Don't believe me? Well, that means you haven't been involved and up-to-date
with technology for YEARS and YEARS and YEARS... sheez.
I believe that ends discussion, eh!
Have a nice day.
Nasser Dassi
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Ottinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 7:24 AM
Subject: Re: JSP vs. ATG Dynamo Server Pages (.jhtml)
>Art Technology Group to License Key Dynamo Technologies to Sun
>
>ATG's Complete Dynamo Product Suite to Support Java Servlet API
>
>SAN FRANCISCO, JAVAONE - April 2, 1997 - Art Technology Group (ATG), a
>leading provider of consumer-focused Internet applications and development
>tools, announced today at JavaOne it will license elements of its Dynamo
>technology to the JavaSoft business unit of Sun for inclusion in its Java
>Server Toolkit. ATG also announced that its Dynamo suite of Internet
>applications will be fully compatible with the Java Servlet API.
[snip!]
>ATG will license its session tracking and page compilation technologies
>from
>its Dynamo Developer's Kit to JavaSoft. These technologies will be
>incorporated into the Java Server Toolkit. ATG will also provide complete
>compatibility with the Java Servlet API for ATG's Dynamo Developer's Kit,
>as
>well as Dynamo Ad Station, Dynamo Profile Station and Dynamo Retail
>Station,
>applications based on the Dynamo Developer's Kit.
Yes, indeed. But this doesn't make an equivocation between ATG Dynamo's
stuff and JSP; just notes technology in one that's (possibly) used in the
other. Looking at JSP pre-version-one, you'll see a LOT of ASPisms, to the
point where ASP programmers would have had very, very little trouble going
across. I think it's fair to say that JSP owes the spec to ASP (initially)
more than any other technology. Maybe its internals borrowed from other
things; I don't know, as I'm not a JSP implementor, and from what I've seen
of the spec, it doesn't say "Use ATG Dynamo's algorithm for..."
OTOH, at least you dug up a press release as rebuttal. Deeply appreciated.
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: A mailing list about Java Server Pages specification and reference
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Joseph Ottinger
> > Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 7:02 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: JSP vs. ATG Dynamo Server Pages (.jhtml)
> >
> >
> > > > Has anyone had any experience using ATG's Dynamo Server Pages and
>can
> > >you
> > > > compare that technology with JSP's. The Dynamo Server Pages files
>end
> > >in
> > > > .jhtml.
> > > >
> > >
> > >if memory serves, Sun "bought" DSP from ATG and turned it into JSP.
> > >JSP will likely be around longer and get more development.
> >
> >
> > Not according to ATG's web site, http://www.atg.com - and not according
>to
> > memory, which seems to note a massive similarity between JSP 0.9x and
>ASP.
> >
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