thanks, this does help a lot. I downloaded netbeans and am checking it
out, and I definetly intend on using the MVC pattern. as for quick
editing, I already use bbedit, which is a great text editor...
though curious about Theseus, I was thinking about looking deeper into
Struts, as I'm somewhat familiar with it already, and wouldn't have time
to learn another framework from scratch.

would you recommend any good books that focus on MVC, and specifically
on Struts? Most books I've seen spend a lot of time on the basics of
jsp/servlet develpment, and only scratch the surface of design patterns.
I've got the basics down, from books like O'Reilly's Java Servlet
Programming and JavaServer Pages, and also from Wrox's Java Server
Programming, but this one focuses a lot on EJBs and XML, which I won't
be using on this project.

On Sunday, December 23, 2001, at 10:19 PM, Duffey, Kevin wrote:

>  Not sure if this helps, but at least from my perspective, you'll
> spend a
> little bit of time learning any IDE other than a basic text editor.
> Personally, I have done all my development with UltraEdit ($30
> www.ultraedit.com). It works great, and you can add command-line calls
> to
> run run Ant to build your project, deploy it, etc. It has syntax
> highlighting, nice tree-view on the left to navigate your hd
> (projects), an
> output window that can capture the output of java applications, and so
> on.
> For servlets and JSP, you do NOT need any fancy IDE. If you want a
> decent
> one, I would check out www.netbeans.org. Its free, open-source and
> offers a
> lot of nice features, although it does have some annoying things about
> it as
> well. It is 100% Java written so it should run on whatever platform you
> want. It is continuously updated almost daily as well. I now use this
> IDE,
> although for "quick" editing I still use UltraEdit because of its fast
> startup time. Java Swing apps still have some ways to go before they can
> start up quickly.
>
> Anyways, focus on using MVC to develop your web application. My
> framework,
> Theseus (www.theseus.org) can help you out building web applications
> in a
> scalable managable way while making it more rapid than just using JSP
> for
> everything. I suggest STRONGLY in not adding ANY java to your JSP pages
> unless it is absolutely necessary. Try to use (as theseus has you do) a
> single controller servlet that then dispatches to a specific method
> based on
> a parameter passed in to do the work, using a JavaBean as the "model"
> data
> holder between pages (stored in the HttpSession). Also try to avoid
> using
> the HttpSession for storing tons of objects, that gets unmanagable, as
> well
> as kills your ability for a smooth scalable solution. Using a single
> object
> that contains fields for specific storage needs makes more sense.
>
> Anyways..for what it is worth, hope that helps.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: olizedobar
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 12/23/2001 9:27 AM
> Subject: is it worth investing on an IDE?
>
> hello,
>
> I have to build a site with jsp/servlets with a very tight schedule, and
> am looking for ways to cut down on development time. would it be worth
> gettting an IDE like JBuilder? or would learning the IDE itself end up
> taking up the time saved?
>
> tia,
> Oliver
>
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