+1 Gue juga setuju...
Google emang raja nya internet sekarang... G juga ngerti kenapa pake syntax java... Tapi yang musti semua orang liat ituh bukan masalah android ituh java based nya... Tapi syntax nya java... G ngobrol2 sama orang kantor.. semua nya pada salah kaprah.. Mereka kira google di sue karna pake java tanpa ijin buat bikin android... Ini salah... Google di sue karna die menyebarkan API android pake syntax java... Tujuan nya sih bisa di mengerti sih... Java mayan popular... Jadi supaya the would-be developers of android gak perlu belajar barang baru lagi... Dan bisa entice java developer untuk bikin barang2 buat android... Tapi tetep salah... Kalo dari awal di bilang java-based.. gue rasa sih gak ada masalah sih menurut gue... Adelwin Handoyo | Senior Consultant - Wholesale Bank Standard Chartered Bank 7, Changi Business Park Cresent, Level 3. Singapore (486028) T : (65) 659 61395 | E adelwin.adel...@sc.com ________________________________ From: jug-indonesia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:jug-indone...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Reza Alaudin Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 12:54 PM To: jug-indonesia@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [JUG-Indonesia] Re: Pernyataan James Gosling masalah Oracle Sue Ke Google +1 coba lo liat di developer referencenya... http://developer.android.com/reference dah kelihatan mix n match... java.awt ada java.nio ada even javax.microeditions juga ada... java itu opensource emang... tapi ada aturannya... klo bikin VM sendiri boleh lah... open jDK kompile ndiri diatas linux embedded. OK.. tapi lo pake ndiri aja... klo mo bikin java ndiri... ya jangan asal maen comot dunks... ni Android, jse,jme, dicomot sana sini... benernya google bikin android yg bebas dari package java.*.* itu baru bisa diterima... Lu juga Frans... bikin android, ngompile ndiri... ya gak masalah... asal SDKnya package java.* itu gak lu ikutin... bikin ndiri ... :D makanya si James gak rela... regards, Reza ________________________________ From: Hendry Luk <hendrym...@gmail.com> To: jug-indonesia@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 10:40:21 AM Subject: Re: [JUG-Indonesia] Re: Pernyataan James Gosling masalah Oracle Sue Ke Google Sorry am i missing something? Gw gak ngerti.... Google blatantly negalnggar pattent java. Biarpun lu open-source, gak berarti lu bisa seenaknya langgar pattent orang. Paten ya paten, mesti lu respect. Open source gak berarti di atas law. Oracle kan juga company.. sama kayak meruvian. Gimana kalo projectnya Meruvian seenaknya dicuri company rival, buat diUANGkan, dibikin open source buat apparent COMMERCIAL purpose. Bikin company rival lu makin kaya raya.. dan lu ngerasa dicuri. Google emang kayak robin hood, ngerampok the riches, ngasih ke the poors. Simpati kita, rakyat jelata, ya ke google, tapi gak berarti what they're doing is right, legal, ato even ethical. 2010/8/15 Frans Thamura <fr...@meruvian.org> yah itu kan ego james pengen semua dan hanya 1 Java didunia ;0 gue aliran suka banyak Java didunia, tetapi tentu saja, java yang ada beda dengan Java yang dari ORacle ini gue kan pendukung inovasi dan percaya inovasi akan sangat bagus kalau Java tidak di kuasai Oracle ;) makanya buat yang JUG dg kata Sun supported, kena kan sekarang. :) lagian kasus android vs java me ini terjadi di USA saja, dan hanya di USA saja yang mendukung software paten di indnesia lo buat android A, B , C legal bro ;) dan kita lg maju buat ini bisa terjadi intinya kalau Google pusing gak mau bayar 10 billion US$ setahun ke Oracle, kasih gue androidnya, gue terusin dan gue bisa jalanin android gak perlu bayar 1 upil pun ke ORacle ;) huahua, nah itu arti "ball"-nya James ;) -- Frans Thamura Director Meruvian. The Most Complete Java Services Provider in Indonesia Mobile: +6287885901958 Blog & Profile: http://frans.thamura.info We grow because we share the same belief. On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Yudhi Karunia Surtan <brainmaster...@gmail.com> wrote: Frans ini pernyataan dari si gosh.. Posted by James Gosling <http://www.rabblesoft.com/> on August 13, 2010 at 09:14 AM PDT # <http://nighthacks.com/roller/jag/entry/the_shit_finally_hits_the#commen t-1281716060000> Oracle is right. Google is wrong. Google SCREWED with Java big time. Google took Java, compiled Java code into Java bytecode, then translated that into Dalvik bytecode to run on the Dalvik virtual machine. Then Google avoided calling its language Java. Thus Google avoided having to license Java IP from Sun. Google created a work-around for Java Mobile Edition (which is NOT GPL'd). Google screwed Java and Sun. And now Google is going to pay Oracle for its sins. Sure, Google has lawyers. But Oracle has lawyers too and Oracle is better at suing others than Google has been. Oracle is the second largest software company in the world - second only to Microsoft. It makes lots of money. And it plays to big business. Believe it when it sues Google. Maka yg lu bilang paling ntar paling di ganti jadi java me yah itu kemungkinan paling besar. Maaap... salah2x.. tanya pernyataan dari si gosling di atasnya.. malu jadinya.. pernyataan dari si gosling ga taunya yg ini..(click link # nya) @James grow some balls please. Maap yaaah... miss undestanding tadi gw.. mungkin keasikan baca jadi ga perhatiin. :D On Aug 14, 2010, at 10:19 PM, Yudhi Karunia Surtan wrote: Frans ini pernyataan dari si gosh.. Posted by James Gosling <http://www.rabblesoft.com/> on August 13, 2010 at 09:14 AM PDT # <http://nighthacks.com/roller/jag/entry/the_shit_finally_hits_the#commen t-1281716060000> Oracle is right. Google is wrong. Google SCREWED with Java big time. Google took Java, compiled Java code into Java bytecode, then translated that into Dalvik bytecode to run on the Dalvik virtual machine. Then Google avoided calling its language Java. Thus Google avoided having to license Java IP from Sun. Google created a work-around for Java Mobile Edition (which is NOT GPL'd). Google screwed Java and Sun. And now Google is going to pay Oracle for its sins. Sure, Google has lawyers. But Oracle has lawyers too and Oracle is better at suing others than Google has been. Oracle is the second largest software company in the world - second only to Microsoft. It makes lots of money. And it plays to big business. Believe it when it sues Google. Maka yg lu bilang paling ntar paling di ganti jadi java me yah itu kemungkinan paling besar. On Aug 14, 2010, at 11:03 AM, agoes wrote: jadi teringat proses akusisi sun saja dulu banyak pertentangan di eropa , ternyata kejadian juga tentang system monopoli yang dilakukan oleh oracle. tapi system copypaste yang akan menang selamanya sepertinya hehe... --- In jug-indonesia@yahoogroups.com <mailto:jug-indonesia%40yahoogroups.com> , "Frans Thamura" <fr...@...> wrote: > > Makanya semua pasar java akan lawan oracle. > > Saya malah akan melihat yg runtuh adalah amerika > > Karena yg diserang mengacu pada paten software yg hanya berlaku di amerika > > Jadi kita di indo mah aman, juga eropa dan cina > > Ini bukti lemahnya amerika yg pengen kaya dg monopoli ide > > Perang ini kalau google menang, adallah kemenangan opensource > (m) > > -----Original Message----- > From: "agoes" <agoesta...@...> > Sender: jug-indonesia@yahoogroups.com <mailto:jug-indonesia%40yahoogroups.com> > Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 02:33:06 > To: <jug-indonesia@yahoogroups.com <mailto:jug-indonesia%40yahoogroups.com> > > Reply-To: jug-indonesia@yahoogroups.com <mailto:jug-indonesia%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [JUG-Indonesia] Pernyataan James Gosling masalah Oracle Sue Ke Google > > http://nighthacks.com/roller/jag/entry/the_shit_finally_hits_the#comment s > > perlawanan google momentum awal untuk membela project opensource > dunia yang menggunakan java. > siap siap aja apa yang terjadi .. > terjadi perperangan besar .. > moga aja project JUG juga tidak kena Sue oleh oracle > hehe > trim's > by/ag > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > ==== > Buktikan Anda peduli pendidikan Indonesia. > Dukung Kurikulum SMK berJava.. kirimkan surat resmi perusahaan dukungan ke moderator JUG. > === > > Kalau mau keluar dari mailing list ini, caranya kirim sebuah email ke jug-indonesia-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <mailto:jug-indonesia-unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com> > > Jangan lupa, website JUG Indonesia adalah http://www.jug.or.id/ > > Yahoo! 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