On Jul 5, 2008, at 5:24 PM, Larry Becker wrote:

@Stefan,  SkyJUMP has only implemented KML write, although read should be fairly easy to add.  We use WGS84 UTM exclusively, so the (limited) reprojection support was easy to implement.  This is the reason that there will (IMIHO) always be a niche for specialized JUMP variants like SkyJUMP that can provide powerful (although less general) features by knowing the exact needs of their user base.

@Nacho, I have an experimental Google Maps plugin, but stopped work on it due to the licensing issues that Paul pointed out.  It is a lot of fun, though.

@Abhay,  using OpenLayers would not change the license for the map data.  It would still need to be hosted on a web page.

i think the primary purpose/reason one would use google maps(or yahoo maps, openstreetmaps, et, al) as a background layer would be to prove/test their own maps/data during editing, thus making it easy and convenient, without the user having to jump outside of oj to test with geo/map-server/openlayer each time.  so, if it as running as localhost, users would be able to easily apply for their google api, using it in a dev environment on their local machine.  or, users that have their gis server stack running on their dev computer, with their geo/map-server and opelayers configuration up and already running, then perhaps it would programatically be a question of having a google maps background load in udig as a webpage, one that is of course a background, with oj functionality that allows other layers to adapt the google maps projections for purposes of panning and zooming their foreground layers in the same manner as does google maps.

with each month/year that passes, the google, yahoo, microsoft, penstreetmaps, et, al map sites will only grow, as will map maker's needs to conform their maps to be displayed atop the above-mentioned map sites via mash-up(openlayers, whatever). and so during the development/map making process, having the ability to switch between google, yahoo, etc., to display your maps atop, will serve greatly as an aid in preparing one's maps for use with these map sites via mash-up(openlayers, etc.).  and, again, if one wishes to use it on a commercial level , then it is the responsibility of each user to contact google and negotiate terms for a commercial license.  also, google has now introduced their new user-contributed map product that is currently being tested... so clearly they are moving in  direction that essentially promotes the same type of use as does the feature we are discussing here.

many existing desktop and handheld products use google maps(and google maps/map tiles) in a way that simply ALLOWS the user to add google mas to the mix, meaning placing the licensing responsibility in each own user's hands, where it rightly belongs imo.

?

regards,

eric



regards,
Larry

On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Stefan Steiniger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
ok.. let me note another problem [which includes the nice kml proposal
as well]:

We don't have a implementation of projections. So everything that relies
on that is not doable before we get this implemented

Stefan

PS: @Larry, did you also implement KML write or only read for SkyJUMP?

Paul Austin wrote:
> The problem with the following proposal is not a technical one, it is a
> legal one. Google and the other providers typically only allow access to
> their tile layer using their web sites and web APIs. This is in part
> because they license the data from other parties for a specific purpose.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>     I like very much the feature proposal:
>     "Use Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, Mapquest, Open Street Maps map layer
>     as background layer"
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