Stefan,

I think you do understand the problem as I've described it and I think I
am following your geo-speak.

The polygons are primarily 3x9 foot spaces in a ~100 acre cemetery.  So,
accuracy within a few inches would be ideal (though I agree this will be
a TALL order and likely require the rest of my life gathering sample
points).  If that's impossible, something closer than what I have right
now would be nice.

I'll look into warping and also affine-transforms and see if I can speak
more intelligently about what my specific problems are and how to go
about fixing them.

Thanks for the help!



Stefan Steiniger wrote:
> Hei Kurt,
> 
> yeah.. I am also not quite sure how to help you.
> However, if you have reference points that are in your target coordinate
> system an in the dataset that you would like to transform, then you
> could try to use the Affine-Transformation Tool (>Tools>Transform). I
> think a HowTo can be found in one of the original JUMP documentations.
> 
> However, I am not realy sure if that brings you the accuracy you need,
> i.e. you didn't wrote
> - what is your current Coordinate/Cartographic Projection System (is it
> in meters or in lat/lon = degrees?, is it GPS data)
> - what is your target Coordinate/Cartographic Projection System (short
> sometimes: CRS for Coordinate Reference System),
> - what transformation accuracy is needed (m, submeter, 100m?)
> - ... ?I forgot that? ...
> 
> to develop/use a transformation procedure would depend on all those things.
> Sorry, I may have chosen a bit a too technical language - but this is
> somehow not avoidable with respect to your question (and if I understood
> it correctly)
> 
> stefan
> 
> Brent Wood schrieb:
>> Hi Kurt,
>>
>> If you can work out what the projection system is for your data, then
>> Proj.4 can do the conversion for you.
>>
>> Note that it is likely to be easier to use ogr2ogr (part of GDAL) as
>> this can use the proj.4 libraries to reproject data, but can also
>> read/write shapefiles so you could generate reprojected shapefiles
>> directly from your original shapefile.
>>
>> The key to thi working is knowing the coordinate reference system of
>> your source data.
>>
>> If this infomation is not available, then some sort of manual
>> coordinate transformation may be possible, based on your suggested
>> approach of working from visually determined points, but I'd use this
>> approach as a last resort, especially if any sort of accuracy is
>> required.
>>
>> see: http://www.gdal.org/
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>   Brent Wood
>> Brent Wood
>> DBA/GIS consultant
>> NIWA, Wellington
>> New Zealand
>>>>> Kurt Heston <[email protected]> 05/11/09 10:22 AM >>>
>> I've inherited a set of shape files that are not georeferenced.  The
>> upper left corner of the extent is on 0/0 lat/lon.  So, when I try to
>> view them after translating to KML, for example, they show up in the
>> middle of the Atlantic Ocean.
>>
>> Is there any way in OpenJump that I can fix them?  There's about a 130k
>> polygons involved with lots of attributes that I'd like to forego
>> re-creating if I can.
>>
>> If I use a survey-grade GPS or Google Earth to match a bunch of points
>> in these shapefiles to their true locations on Earth, can something
>> move/stretch/skew/scale them to their earthly positions?  This HAS to
>> have been done at some point with all the non-geo CAD stuff that existed
>> b4 geo-spatial tooling took hold, right?
>>
>> I'm hoping there's a tool I've missed (in much Googling) that I can use
>> to correlate the two.  I'm guessing that if such a tool is available,
>> it's going to take A LOT of point matches to fix the files, but that
>> scares me less than re-creating the data in its entirety.
>>
>> Can anyone send me in the right direction here?
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