And because high school exams allows calculators explains why people can't figure out how to make change today after hitting the wrong keys on the cash register...

Because the education system in general is catering to the lowest common denominator doesn't mean that a certification exam needs to.

Let's see how exciting that is when you figure our that your doctor passed his/her boards because WebMD was there to help on those "difficult" things that are more obscure.

An electrician who doesn't understand amperage, or a plumber who doesn't understand water flow...  Absolutely useless.

Are you telling me that the "experts who the experts call" don't understand fundamental mathematical concepts, or can't do this stuff off the top of their heads?

Is there stuff you don't use every day?  Perhaps.  I suppose that depends on what you do.  If you work in an IS-IS world, then correct, you could care less about OSPF LSAs.  Learn it.  It's a multiple choice exam, so statistically, even a monkey has a chance of passing.  In theory, that should be higher if you understand things.

My two cents for the day.  (or 3.5 in case the register failed)  ;)

 


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On 3/30/12 8:59 AM, Skeeve Stevens wrote:
I am not saying braindumps are good at all, but...

What engineer when architecting/building/supporting a solution doesn't have
access to the internet or reference tools?

I architect all day long and the Juniper and Cisco websites are my bible
for product knowledge, features, part numbers, etc etc.

It is like an electrician or plumber without their tools... absolutely
useless.

I would like to see exams include man pages, or at least an approved
reference book that would let you look up obscure crap you almost never
need to know off the top of your head.

Binary<->Hex<->Decimal math... bullshit, I can't believe we're not able to
use even a calculator these days... even highschool exams allow calculators!

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On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 23:25, Sascha Luck <li...@c4inet.net> wrote:

On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 05:03:54AM -0700, Jared Gull wrote:

I'm with Graham. Sack up and have some integrity, learn the material, and
take the test pass or fail.

of course this is true generally, but the exams are not always
very compatible with practical networking experience. Srsly, you need to
know every property of every OSPF LSA type or STP BPDU by heart? That's
what the Internet is for...
I did JNCIS the old-skool way and it was a lot of grinding useless
information that I've forgotten again already...

rgds,
s.
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