On 3/May/16 16:22, Saku Ytti wrote:
> What is reasonable price? How much less than 3500EUR it needs to cost? Oooh, it can cost less :-). > Also if you look at actual CAPEX costs of running say mobile network, > the cost of IP equipment simply does not matter. Fair point - if it's a mobile network, budget for some IP routers may not be an issue. > It matters to your BU > and thus your budget, but that is very narrow-minded planning, if > upper management does not see that you need more budget to do it right > and it does not impact bottom line, then you didn't do your homework > when choosing your employer. Agree. > I'm pretty sure the are MUCH happier with MX80 than they would have > been with Whales. I don't think Whales even support everything they > do, certainly didn't back then. They use NG-MVPN, seamless MPLS, L3 > MPLS VPN at scale, per-vlan HQoS, RSVP-TE with affinity and list goes > on. Most of this supported on the ME3600X/3800X. The only one I know that is lacking is NG-MVPN support. Cisco kept pushing Rosen our way to avoid developing NG-MVPN on the ME3600X/3800X. Eventually, they got bored of the platform and put all their energy into the ASR920, which has NG-MVPN support natively. > I disagree. ASR1k does stateful firewalling, NAPT, crypto etc. None of > these what MX104 can do, unless you count putting another cpu in the > box with MS-MIC. > I don't think JNPR really has anything to compete against ASR1k. Fair enough. I was looking more at general routing features (we would not use an edge router as a firewall). The main competitor we needed for the ASR1000 was a box that could combine both high speed Ethernet and low speed non-Ethernet interfaces in the same chassis at a cost that makes sense. The ASR1000 does that very well, and for now, the MX104 does that well too. But I agree that when it comes to other high-touch features, the ASR1000 kicks the MX104 hard! > ACX is definitely their competitor, may not be there for your > application (and this may be true for some other applications, someone > may not be able to do on ASR920 what ACX2k does), but both problems > are solvable by throwing money at it. I've asked Juniper to solve the problems on the ACX. They flat-out refused. They won't say I never gave them a chance - more times than they deserve. Mark. _______________________________________________ juniper-nsp mailing list [email protected] https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/juniper-nsp
