BTW, for folks on the list who are thinking of hosting their own sites, here's why you shouldn't!  It's hard!
 
-glenn
 
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Bruce Dunwiddie
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 2:18 PM
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Subject: RE: [KCFusion] DNS issues OT

I'm starting to get a feel for what's going on, so I've got a few questions. What IP did you put in to the firewall rule for the routing to the web server? Obviously, you're not wanting to broadcast too much of your internal network setup, but I don't understand what you mean by saying that your firewall and your web server have the same network ID. I also don't understand how you have the webserver with it's own external IP, 64.*..., but able to get traffic that was routed from your firewall, 192.*..., unless the web server has 2 nic cards, one going to the firewall, on a 192 address, and the other going straight out to the net getting the 64 address or going to yet another firewall, which would give it the 64 address, which would have it's own set of firewall rules. I don't know how to help much more without getting some more detailed info on the network setup, if we have to take it off the list and just carry this on between you, me, and glenn, or whatever. I'm sure everyone else is probably already tired of this conversation anyhow.
 
If your web server is not behind a firewall, and it is running a web site on port 80, then I should be able to connect to it. I think the tracert's are dying because of firewall rules set to not acknowledge incoming icmp traffic, which is probably not a good thing for a web site.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Bruce Dunwiddie
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 1:49 PM
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No web site is configured at this address.
 
My guess is that in IE, you have friendly error messages turned on, which is why you get page can't be displayed. I can telnet into that IP at port 80 and get a response back from your web server...
 
HTTP/1.1 404 Object Not Found
Server: Microsoft-IIS/5.0
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2004 19:54:05 GMT
Content-Type: text/html
Content-Length: 111
 
<html><head><title>Site Not Found</title></head>
                                                <body>No web site is configured
at this address.</body></html>
 
which probably means that since I'm using the IP to get to the address, IE isn't sending the host header saying which server I'm trying to connect to, and you don't have a default web site set up.
 
I still can't connect to http://64.200.212.203 however....

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Adaryl Wakefield
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 1:51 PM
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I may have not configured the firewall correctly but I don't see how. I gave it the name webserver and followed the other directions but when you go to http://64.200.212.115 you get a page not displayed message.
 
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Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 1:34 PM
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no, still can't telnet into port 80 at 64.200.212.203.

Bruce Dunwiddie
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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Adaryl Wakefield
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 1:40 PM
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Damn! Neither worked. At least on my end. Can you guys get in?
 
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Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 1:06 PM
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yes. by default, that linksys router is set to block all incoming traffic to all ports. you have to click on the advanced tab, then go to the forwarding tab, the put in a name for the rule, then under ext. port, put in 80 to 80, check tcp, put in the 192.168.1.* address of your web server, and then check the enable box and hit the apply button.
 

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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Adaryl Wakefield
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 1:10 PM
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Its a little linksys cable/dsl router and ive stepped though every screen and there is no indication of port 80 being blocked however the only person running a webserver is me and you can't get to me from the outside. Do you think this may be the cause of the timeout?
 
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Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 12:56 PM
Subject: RE: [KCFusion] DNS issues OT

Is your firewall configured to allow port 80 through?
 
-glenn
 
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Adaryl Wakefield
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 12:53 PM
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OK that came out terrible let me try again.
 
Tracing route to ss1.keys.org [64.200.212.203]
 
over a maximum of 30 hops:
 
 
 
  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  192.168.123.254
 
  2     5 ms     5 ms     6 ms  adsl-216-103-76-41.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.103.76.41]
 
  3     6 ms     7 ms     5 ms  dist1-vlan60.snfc21.pbi.net [216.102.187.130]
 
  4     6 ms     8 ms     5 ms  bb1-g1-3-0.snfc21.pbi.net [209.232.130.28]
 
  5     5 ms     6 ms     5 ms  bb2-p3-0.snfcca.sbcglobal.net [151.164.190.186]
 
  6     7 ms     7 ms     6 ms  bb1-p13-0.sntc01.pbi.net [64.161.124.241]
 
  7     6 ms     8 ms     6 ms  bb2-p12-0.sntc01.pbi.net [64.161.1.26]
 
  8     7 ms     7 ms     6 ms  64.161.1.22
 
  9     7 ms     6 ms     6 ms  151.164.248.26
 
 10    46 ms    48 ms    45 ms  sntcca1wcx2-pos1-0.wcg.net [64.200.240.125]
 
 11    50 ms    46 ms    49 ms  dnvrco1wcx2-pos11-0.wcg.net [64.200.210.253]
 
 12    46 ms    49 ms    49 ms  chcgil1wcx3-pos15-0.wcg.net [64.200.210.65]
 
 13    48 ms    49 ms    48 ms  brvwil1wcx3-pos12-0-3-a60.wcg.net [64.200.236.34]
 
 14    49 ms    48 ms    48 ms  stlsmo1wcxb-pos6-3.wcg.net [64.200.240.169]
 
 15    48 ms    50 ms    46 ms  stlsmo1wcxa-pos6-2.wcg.net [64.200.246.69]
 
 16    47 ms    48 ms    45 ms  kscymo1wce1-pos3-1.wcg.net [64.200.210.234]
 
 17    50 ms    49 ms    48 ms  tpkaks1wcf1-atm.wcg.net [64.200.103.86]
 
 18    53 ms    55 ms    57 ms  keys1.nomb.com [64.200.212.115]
 
 
 
Trace complete.
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Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 12:46 PM
Subject: Fw: [KCFusion] DNS issues OT

>you need to find some way of finding out what ip 64.200.103.86 is routing traffic for 64.200.212.203 to
 
Now see this is an interesting comment. Enclosed is a text file of a ping report for a guy out of San Francisco. It seems after the williams router that the web server is supposed to be the next stop. But as you can see on the report it does not go to the web server it goes to the firewall (the .115 address). With out giving too much away the webserver is not behind the fire wall. as a matter of fact they share a network ID.
 
Adaryl "Did you reboot?" Wakefield
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Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 11:51 AM
Subject: RE: [KCFusion] DNS issues OT

the trace doesn't die at 64.200.103.86, it dies at the next hop, which doesn't respond, which you don't get to see what ip/hostname it is using tracert because it says "request timed out". again, this is beyond my knowledge, but you need to find some way of finding out what ip 64.200.103.86 is routing traffic for 64.200.212.203 to. the guys at willims communication should atleast be able to get you that info from some routing table or something, but again, I wouldn't even know offhand what to ask them to look in to get that information. the fact that they can trace it from their place yet no one else can, including me, would make me very suspicious that it's something going on at their end and I'd probably be pretty serious with them, but I'm also not sure what responsibilities they have to solve your problems. it might be easier to talk to your isp directly, considering they're the ones that actively get your check and have an account on file as to who you are and make them go up the ladder from there. as for willims communication not being able to pull up the website and it working internally, that could be a ton of different things. the traffic could possibly be never leaving your internal network, thereby bypassing your company firewall, and allowing the traffic. the firewall may not be correctly setup to route incoming traffic on port 80 for your external public ip, the 64.200.212.203, to the internal network ip of your webserver. I'd worry about getting the trace to work before I worried about the website itself.
 

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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Adaryl Wakefield
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 11:39 AM
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Subject: [KCFusion] DNS issues OT

Im about at my wits end with this and could use some senior help. This week just blows. Heres the sitrep.
For some odd reason you can't bring up www.keys.org. Ive ran though every trick in the book and so has my ISP and we still can't fix this issue.
If you try doing a tracert on www.keys.org or 64.200.212.203 the trace dies at router 64.200.103.86 which belongs to willims communcation so I got on the horn with them and they said they could trace 203 but could not see the website. When i use www.visualroute.com to go to some other servers it goes right to 203 and yet nobody around the world that I have talked to says they can bring up the site. So at this point I think there is something wrong with the webserver right? wrong. If you are in the office you can pull up the web page. After 2 days of troubleshooting im dead out of ideas.
 
P.S I even rebooted.
 
 
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