On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 08:19:39 -0500, Laszlo Papp <lp...@kde.org> wrote:
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Dweeble <dweeble01...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 06:36:48 -0500, Laszlo Papp <lp...@kde.org> wrote:
On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Martin Klapetek
<martin.klape...@gmail.com> wrote:
Anyone btw. knows how the Ubuntu instance at askubuntu.com fits in?
It is part of the Stack Exchange system. You can easily check it by
going to a Stack Exchange account that has subaccounts on multiple
sites including AU. The "subdomains" are listed at the top of left an
account. Furthermore, the Stack Exchange logo is even in the "banner"
on the top left of the cover page for AU.
I wonder if it is hosted by Canonical or just by SE Inc. and running
on its own domain...and if Ubuntu people got more power in the moderation
and stuff.
Well, surely, they are slightly more empowered on a separate site, but
in the end of the day, as Omar also wrote, the big boss is Stack
Exchange. I want KDE to be the big boss for a KDE project. I really do
not want to compromise that.
Cheers
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I don't see where this is so much better than what exists - to me it looks
like a forum without sub-forums, where (at least on the LO and Ubuntu sites)
not that many people vote and "answers" are basically posts.
Sorry, but this is simply not true. You can say that questions and
answers, with comments left around, look like forum, but that is not
the intended goal of these Q/A sites. I personally do not like the end
resulf of the forums. There is a lot of messy noise left around for
the posterity. It is a bit challenging to go through all the posts and
grab the important bits. It is possible, but it is not ideal.
Now, coming back to your observation, if that is what you observed on
SE, that is sad. I have seen it many times myself, too, though that
noisy comments are left around, which were useful for the time, but
not after submitting the "final" answer.
On the contrary, forum is more like a different form of mailing list
or IRC for me, where the discussion can be publicly pinned down. But
that is quite different from only concentrating on the "end result".
And
surprisingly considering the size of the Ubuntu community there aren't as
many answers as I would have expected.
Fair enough and that is not just the AU community. It is an overall
issue for many technology areas on SE.
I would think making the existing facilities better would be more cost/labor
efficient and imo and what would be a worthy goal in supporting the
community would be is to provide responses to all questions asked on the
Forum, if one looks at the number of unanswered questions that number should
not be considered acceptable.
Yes, I agree.
There is also the thing that the LaTeX Stack Exchange and
latex-community.org experts say: you cannot answer every questions
either if many questions are very low quality.
Stack Exchange is a commercial entity with closed source software
(although "open" database to be fair) and their own business model. I
do not think it is inline with KDE's vision, but the KDE community may
disagree with me, for sure.
Either way, Stack Exchange has been known among many experts that it
would mostly concentrate on quantity to sell to their customers. They
can show all the fancy stats to their customers that "we have now X
million questions, etc". This is one of their policy decisions which,
while I respect, I do not agree with.
Let me please get back a bit to the "First Google results are Stack
Exchange results, beating even the official documentations, so it must
be really cool".
To make my opinion clear and explicit, I think it is disadvantageous
that Stack Exchange is indexed that well on Google. It is leading
towards the "vendor lock-in" mode for the Q/A world and if someone
tries to get out of that, that person would be always told off by this
argument. In fact, I would honestly suggest Google to find a better
algorithm to avoid this situation, but I understand it may not be in
Google's best interest.
Also, it is quite inconvenient to find Stack Exchange results at times
on the top if they are not good enough and e.g. the official
documentation is good enough. In those cases, it is a pity that the
official documentation or something better than Stack Exchange answers
is not on the top... A good example would be an expert's blog.
I trust and truly believe that the free software world needs to
challenge Stack Exchange to avoid vendor lock-in by non-free software
for a very important use case.
Google01103 (I hang at the Forum occasionally)
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For KDE specific needs there are already a fair number places to get answers -
IRC, KDE forums, Reddit, KDE mailing lists and this doesn't include the distro
provided ones which I think get the majority of the views except in the cases
of certain sw like Kexi, Krita and Kdenlive. Adding additional KDE services
could weaken the effectiveness of the existing ones - for example how many of
these things will/can a dev participate in and it's the dev's participation
that is the biggest selling point in KDE provided services and will it really
generate additional participation in the KDE community?
Obviously you can'r answer 100% of queries but it is an honorable the goal
I think it should looked at what services are currently provided and how to
make them better and more attractive
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