On Tuesday, May 10, 2016 17:18:39 Thomas Pfeiffer wrote: > On Montag, 9. Mai 2016 22:49:15 CEST Alexander Neundorf wrote: ... > > * I don't like the term "reach <somebody> where they are", to me this > > always kind of implies that the person in question is currently somehow > > in a wrong place (in German: "die Leute da abholen, wo sie sind" :-/ ) > > Basically this is the "everyone" from the vision. > > So maybe > > "To be able to make the software available to everyone, KDE"... ? > > There are actually slightly different underlying positions concerning > priorities: > I assume that for both of us, a perfect world would be one where everybody > used exclusively free software/hardware/services/content. We both know that > this will probably never happen, so we have to aim for something more > realistic. And this is where our priorities diverge: > - For me, it's more important to get people away from as much non-Free stuff > as possible > - For you, it's more important to get our Free stuff to as many people as > possible
Yes, kind of. But actually it's both very very similar. I mean, with every piece of free software we get somebody to use, we get this person away from one piece of non-free software. :-) > Both positions are perfectly valid, of course. Now the problem is: How can > we tell what KDE as a whole puts more emphasis on, when nobody but us > voices their opinion? Maybe post to a few more mailing lists, e.g. kde-devel, plasma-devel, kde- core-devel, kde-frameworks-devel, is there a calligra-dvel ? > > * To me, "classic desktop" does not really fit into "reach users where > > they > > are" > > Ok, so where would you put it? I'm open to any suggestion here. > > > * One could argue that to provide control, freedom and privacy for users, > > KDE's products do not only need to have those properties, but the products > > actually need to cover a substantial range of the users needs. > > IOW, e.g. by offering a range of niche nerdy applications, let's say 3D > > printer software and a desktop ruler, we wouldn't do much to achieve our > > vision. > > So, should there be some mention of what we want to "produce" ? > > Something like desktop, office, education, creation, etc. ? > > Even "niche nerdy applications" do contribute to our vision, but of course > the more users, the bigger the impact. > > The question is, though: Does the "substantial range of the users needs" > really need to be covered by KDE software? For example, there is still no > advanced photo editing software from KDE, because the Krita team decided > that GIMP has that need covered just fine and Krita should focus on digital > painting instead. That's indeed a good question. We can continue this list e.g. with a state-of- the-art web browser and a production-ready word processor... > I, personally, think that the goal should be that /Free Software/ covers all > common user needs. Whether that software is made by KDE, GNOME, GNU, TDF, > Apache, any other organization or an independent project does not matter > that much to me. > > Of course there are some applications which greatly benefit from a very > tight integration with the desktop environment or other applications, and > it makes sense to offer these from one source, but that group might not > actually be all that big. > > That said, I have nothing against offering some examples of areas we think > we should cover, I just won't be the one to provide them. It would be nice if more people would contribute to the discussion... My impression (and also my opinion): our goal as KDE is not to be known for a few odd applications for special use-cases, but as the primary source for the applications "normal" users use every day: the "desktop" (plasma + kwin), the basic applications (text editor, terminal, file manager, image viewer, media player, etc.) and "advanced" applications (office, IDE, edu, games). IOW, creating just a few cool applications is not our mission, but covering (more or less) the full spectrum. I think this view is supported by the concerns many contributors raise that they want KDE to become more "relevant" again. Alex _______________________________________________ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community