Hi Niccolò, On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 3:26 PM Niccolò Ve <niccolo.venera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi. > > > Posts about Richard Stallman are off-topic and will not be allowed. > > This is... plain out wrong. Off topic means off topic. > The KDE Community list exists, according to the subscription page: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community The purpose of the mailing list is to provide a place for non-technical > information and discussions which are relevant to the KDE community as a > whole. All people who consider themselves to be part of the KDE community > are invited to join. Conversations on the mailing list are respectful, > considerate, polite and constructive following our KDE Code of Conduct. > The list collects announcements, information and results from discussions > in other places and offers a place to get feedback on non-technical > questions or plans of relevance for the whole KDE community. Anything else is off-topic. > A RMS reply to a thread about RMS is NOT off topic. > The original post was about the FSF and their governance. Unfortunately "RMS pro/con" hijacked that thread and caused this list to be moderated. > If you want to shutdown the discussion, just say so. > I did so. > The fact that RMS is not "the issue" (he's surely _an_ issue...) does not > change that > the kde community email was about RMS. I sent an email 10 hours *before* > this apology. > It was rejected just* now.* As offtopic. > I live in the US; most of the other mods live in Europe. If they had wanted to act on your email they could have done so, but I believe I was the one to reject your post. There was nothing time-sensitive in it. I did not like that thread, but this handling of the situation is plain out > bad. This apology > mail only made things worse. If I did not know about KDE, I'd say that > they are censoring > the discussion. Instead I'm just embarrassed. > Requiring lists to be on-topic is not censorship, which *governments* do. We're volunteers trying to keep lists "respectful, considerate, polite and constructive." Had the discussion kept to that, even though off-topic, it probably could have been solved by a warning. Even the original motivation for putting the ML under moderation could've > been worded better, > it raised complaints from some people I know. > Yes, I should have followed my own advice and removed my personal thoughts. That was not constructive. Putting an email under manual moderation requires that manual moderation to > happen much, > much faster than 10 hours. If help is needed in moderating, please say so. > If you want to shutdown the discussion about RMS, say it was getting too > aggressive, not that > it's "offtopic". > > Niccolò > We're all volunteers. Help is always welcome! List administration is not the most interesting job, but it is not usually difficult either. If you are interested, write to "$listname-ow...@kde.org" (in this case, kde-community-owner at kde.org) and volunteer your services. Valorie > > Il giorno ven 26 mar 2021 alle ore 20:36 Valorie Zimmerman < > valorie.zimmer...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > >> Hello my friends, >> >> When I put this list on emergency moderation, I felt that this was >> necessary. It still seems so, but I want to lift moderation as soon as >> possible. >> >> I may have played a part in continuing the negative thread that "wouldn't >> die" by expressing my own opinion. I should have followed my own advice and >> walked away after writing my email and then removed parts which expressed a >> personal opinion. >> >> While I may disagree with others about the value of RMS to Free Software, >> he is not the issue. The more organizations I've been involved with, the >> more I realize the value of good governance. The FSF has been critical to >> the growth of Free Software, and the recent news about their Board is very >> worrying. >> >> My statement did not do anything to convey that or to help, and for that >> I am truly sorry. >> >> Posts about Richard Stallman are off-topic and will not be allowed. >> >> Thanks to those of you who called my attention to my part in all of this. >> >> All the best to each of you, to KDE and all of the Free software >> communities, >> >> Valorie >> >> -- >> http://about.me/valoriez - pronouns: she/her >> > > > -- > Niccolò Venerandi > > -- http://about.me/valoriez - pronouns: she/her