El divendres, 28 d’abril de 2023, a les 0:10:25 (CEST), Nicolas Fella va escriure: > Am 27.04.23 um 23:42 schrieb Joseph P. De Veaugh-Geiss: > > Cross-posting to the relevant mailing lists. > > > > To discuss, please answer to kde-community@kde.org. > > > > tl;dr There are several inactive or unused lists of the 181 mailing > > lists at KDE. What do we want to do with them? > > > > This is a post about inactive or unused mailing lists. For a general > > discussion about (active) mailing lists at KDE, please start a new > > thread or wait until I address that, likely in the very near future. > > > > _Inactive Mailing Lists_ > > > > For a better understanding of what works and what needs improvement in > > KDE's internal communications, I started by looking at the 181 mailing > > lists publicly listed at: > > > > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/ > > > > Here I see 51 mailing lists which might be considered inactive, some > > of which were never used at all. There may be more to add to this upon > > further inspection, but these seem like a good place to start. > > > > By inactive I mean there has been very low or no activity in the past > > 2-3 years at least, and for most lists the last post was 4+ years ago. > > For several of these lists, there are long gaps in activity, often > > with no community responses to the most recent posts. > > > > The 51 mailing lists are included at the end of this email. > > > > Importantly, I know a list with infrequent activity is *not* the same > > as a list that has no activity. Some communities do not need regular > > communication for that community to be active. If you see your > > community's mailing list here and think it is a mistake, please let me > > know! My apologies in advance if this is the case. > > > > Crucially, do not interpret an inactive mailing list to mean a project > > is inactive. It only means the mailing list is not a frequently used > > channel of communication. There are many other channels for community > > discussion (e.g., Matrix, Discuss, etc.). > > > > _Some Questions To The KDE Community_ > > > > * What do we want to do with inactive or unused mailing lists? > > > > * Is there a policy for retiring inactive lists? I didn't see > > anything at the Community Wiki. [1] > > > > * Does KDE have internal infrastructure to archive mailing lists for > > posterity? I see kwrite-devel [2] archived old posts at the "Mailing > > list ARChives" [3]. > > > > * Do we want to nudge traffic from low activity mailing lists to > > somewhere with generally higher activity (specifically, I am thinking > > Discuss)? I can imagine being in a more active online space could > > increase general participation for otherwise low activity groups. > > > > _Inactive Lists: To Close Or Not To Close_ > > > > I am sure there are reasons both for and against closing mailing > > lists. Here are just some reasons I can think of to close inactive ones: > > > > * The more communication channels there are, the more fractured KDE's > > communication is. > > > > * It may not be obvious to new (or even old) contributors that a list > > is no longer in use, resulting in wasted energy signing up for an > > inactive one. > > > > * Trying to engage with an inactive list may reduce motivation for > > futher contributions from members, especially when posts go unanswered. > > > > * Moving some communities to more lively platforms may increase their > > overall activity. > > > > * There could be a slight efficiency/ecological benefit for KDE's > > server infrastructure by removing or deactivating unused services. > > > > Pleae keep in mind: I am not judging the value of any particular group > > by pointing out low activity, or arguing we need to close any specific > > list. If there is a reason -- any reason at all -- to keep a list > > open, then let's keep it open! I myself like mailing lists for various > > forms of communication (announcements, long-form discussion, > > information which I want to archive locally for future reference, etc.). > > > > If I made any mistakes in my summary here, please let me know. It is a > > challenge to go through 181 lists and not make any errors, though I > > tried my best not to. > > > > I look forward to reading your thoughts and suggestions! > > > > Cheers, > > Joseph > > > > [1] https://community.kde.org/Infrastructure/Mailing-Lists > > [2] https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kwrite-devel > > [3] https://marc.info/ > > > > # Overview > > > > Of the 181 mailing lists listed publicly, I found the following: > > > > * 12 are lists that have never been used and 1 was already closed > > * 27 are potentially-inactive general lists > > * 11 are potentially-inactive language or country-specific lists > > > > # Unused / Closed Mailing Lists [13 Lists] > > > > ## Never Used [12 lists] ("No messages have been posted to this list > > yet, so the archives are currently empty.") > > > > * Calligra-author: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/calligra-author > > * Cantor-bugs: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/cantor-bugs > > * Gcompris-espanol: > > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/gcompris-espanol > > * Kde-dashboard: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-dashboard > > * kde-games-bugs: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-games-bugs > > * Kde-i18n-it: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-i18n-it > > * Kde-l10n-my: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-my > > * Kde-l10n-sw: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-sw > > * KDE-Look: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-look > > * Kde-partnership: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-partnership > > * Kdepim-builds: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdepim-builds > > * neon-bugs: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/neon-bugs > > > > ## Officially Closed [1 list] > > > > * kde-nonlinux: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-nonlinux > > > > # Inactive General Lists [27 lists] > > > > ## Currently Inactive With Almost No Previous Activity [5 lists] > > > > * kde-artists: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-artists > > * Heaptrack: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/heaptrack > > * CuteHMI: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/cutehmi > > * Khtml-cvs: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/khtml-cvs > > * Cki-attendees: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/cki-attendees > > > > ## Currently Inactive With Low Previous Activity [2 lists] > > > > * Snorenotify: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/snorenotify > > * KXStitch: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kxstitch > > > > ## Currently Inactive But Previously Active [16 lists] > > > > * Choquk-devel: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/choqok-devel > > * Kde-embedded: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-embedded > > * Kde-buildsystem: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-buildsystem > > * WikiToLearn: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitolearn > > * Marble-commits: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/marble-commits > > * Ksecretservice-devel: > > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/ksecretservice-devel > > * KDE-Telepathy: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-telepathy > > * Kde-speech: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-speech > > * Kexi: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kexi > > * Enterprise: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/enterprise > > * Marble: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/marble > > * kde-women: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-women > > * kde-usa: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-usa > > * kopete-devel: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kopete-devel > > * Kde-scm-interest: > > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-scm-interest > > * Kexi-devel: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kexi-devel > > > > ## No Activity In 7+ Years [4 lists] > > > > * SymbolEditor: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/symboleditor > > * Gcompris-portugues: > > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/gcompris-portugues > > * kdelibs-bugs: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdelibs-bugs > > * QmlWeb: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/qmlweb > > > > # Inactive Language/Country-Specific Mailing Lists [11 lists] > > > > ## Currently Inactive With Almost No Previous Activity [2 lists] > > > > * Kde-i18n-eu: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-i18n-eu > > * Kde-edu-pt_br: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-edu-pt_br > > > > ## Currently Inactive But Previously Active [5 lists] > > > > * Kde-i18n-uk: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-i18n-uk > > * KDE-india: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-india > > * Kde-l10n-in: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-in > > * Kde-latam: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-latam > > * Kde-l10n-kn: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-kn > > > > ## No Activity In 7+ Years [3 lists] > > > > * Kde-el: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-el > > * kde-mexico: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-mexico > > * Kde-l10n-si: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-l10n-si > > > > ## Infrequently Active [1 list] > > > > * KDE-Italia: https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-italia > > Hi, > > there's various foo-b...@kde.org lists in your list. Those (sometimes) > have a specific aspect, which is that they are the default assignee on > bugs.kde.org for that project. > > There's something funky about it though. For example > kdelibs-b...@kde.org is the default assignee for the frameworks-kirigami > product, so the archive should show lots of mails from that, but doesn't.
Probably archiving was just disabled, the fact that archiving was disabled doesn't mean the list is inactive. Example: kde-devel archives start in September 2020, the list was used probably for decades before that, just with archiving disabled. Cheers, Albert > > Whether this is a good use of mailing lists is of course up for debate. > > Cheers > > Nico > > PS: Evaluating how "Default Assignee" and generally automatic > subscription to bugreports works could be a good idea. Currently the > established way to get CC'd on bugs for a specific thing is to tell Nate > "Please CC me for XY bugs" and then Nate does some obscure config to > make it happen