Hi,
On Tuesday, September 16th, 2025 at 21:17, Ben Cooksley <[email protected]> wrote: > On Wed, Sep 17, 2025 at 6:47 AM Christoph Cullmann <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > On Tuesday, September 16th, 2025 at 20:36, Ben Cooksley <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Sep 17, 2025 at 3:07 AM Christoph Cullmann > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > Hi Christoph, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, September 15th, 2025 at 20:42, Ben Cooksley > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 16, 2025 at 4:14 AM Christoph Cullmann > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > https://invent.kde.org/websites/kde-org/-/work_items/42 > > > > > > > > > > > > should now contain state of the lists we have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Christoph. The really sad part is people who have sent patches > > > > > or otherwise have been interested haven't received replies, and in my > > > > > mind that really justifies closure and redirection of those lists. > > > > > > > > > > Does someone want to file some tickets and i'll then proceed with > > > > > closing down the dead lists? > > > > > (noting where needed if a list should be merged into another list) > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure what the best process is. > > > > > > > > I would assume to close all lists that not had any mail since the last > > > > 2023 'are you alive' ping is save. > > > > > > > > That is close to 2 years. > > > > > > > > I guess mailman allows to re-open closed lists if ever the need arises? > > > > > > > > > Depends on how I do the closure. > > > > > > Normally when we close a mailing list we fully remove it, so the only > > > thing left behind is the list archives. > > > That means the list of subscribers, etc. is fully purged. > > > > > > If we were okay with reopened lists starting from scratch then that is > > > fine. > > > > > > Otherwise we would have to delete the mail forwarding into Mailman but > > > leave the list itself still registered in Mailman and set the list to > > > hidden/private. > > > > > > I would prefer the second choice. > > For sure there will be a few lists that need reviving in the future and > > that would make it easier. > > (and if I am wrong, which would be nice, I assume it is not that much more > > work) > > > It's pretty low effort to create a list, the only downside is the loss of > subscribers - and for those dead lists there is a good chance some of those > emails are no longer interested anyway, so we would probably want to blank if > the revival came after any length of time. > In the not too distant future we will need to move to Mailman 3, and i'd very > much prefer to only move over active things as part of that move. Ok, then I can live with just killing the lists, too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All other stuff needs in detail discussion I guess. > > > > > > > > Is our mailing list mail server able to generate more graceful bounce > > > > mails that contain some generic contact info like > > > > > > > > 'head to kde.org/xyz...' > > > > > > > > for people that try some non-existing address? > > > > > > > > > We can add entries to the blocked-destinations list to achieve some level > > > of customisation, however the sender will still receive back the bounce > > > email that would contain just that one line of text we can provide as > > > part of blocked-destinations. > > > Anything else would require quite a bit more setup. > > > > > > For most of the dead lists though we could forward them easily enough to > > > one of our existing lists which is probably a better user experience? > > > > > > Good question, I would rather really get just a bounce, one never knows if > > not some old bugs point to them or other stuff and that > > then ends up on the other list we point it to. > > > Wouldn't this mean people like the person who did the Calligra porting work > would just see their email lost rather than sent to somewhere that has some > life? I think that is the sad reality, but that one person got now from me a mail in person. I don't think that will make people sad, they are sad already that in most cases they got no answer for years. A bounce is a much better answer than none or ending on a totally different list. Greetings Christoph > > > > > > Btw., all that stuff really cries for a gardening team :) ironic that that > > list is dead, too. > > Perhaps one could revive that as GitLab team for all interested. > > > > Greetings > > Christoph > > > > > Thanks, > Ben
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