> On Sept. 17, 2014, 6:13 nachm., Pino Toscano wrote:
> > kdeui/actions/kaction.cpp, lines 150-179
> > <https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/120149/diff/3/?file=312869#file312869line150>
> >
> >     The whole setTextWithCorrectMenuRole is totally broken from an i18n 
> > point of view:
> >     - we don't use Qt's tr() in kdelibs
> >     - mess up an already translated string is totally no-no, you don't know 
> > what it will contain
> >     - you cannot translate single bits of messages as standalone messages, 
> > they can have a different declension
> >     
> >     Honestly, I don't see a way to make this marking as "preferences role" 
> > automatic, based on the action text. Unless there's something I'm missing, 
> > the only solution left is to mark such application-specific preferences 
> > actions as such.
> 
> René J.V. Bertin wrote:
>     Please see my reply to Ian's comment all at the top. It contains a copy 
> of Qt's "heuristic" code. I copied that code in the you tripped over in order 
> to undo its (and only its) effect (i.e. to do a very targeted 
> `setMenuRole(NoRole)`. There is an additional step, an attempt to be able to 
> do `setMenuRole(PreferencesRole)` when appropriate. That's an attempt I made, 
> and I'll gladly accept that it's guaranteed not to work in all possible 
> languages.
>     
>     @pino: do your remarks apply to my bit of code only or also to the code 
> copied from Qt? I've opened a ticket about this whole "feature" but would 
> love to be able to make a stronger case than possible with my educated 
> guessing (pun not really intended). I'd also be fine with initialising the 
> menu role to `NoRole` (unconditionally or on OS X only), but that as long as 
> Qt doesn't incorporate this, that will only introduce a larger gap between 
> KDE4 and KF5 (where KAction is no longer there to override unwanted QAction 
> features).
>     
>     Note also that Qt5 actually *extends* the guesstimating to the Cut, Copy, 
> Paste and SelectAll menu roles ...
> 
> Pino Toscano wrote:
>     Yes, I think that heuristic is plain wrong, whichever place it is. I 
> don't see "Qt does it" as reason to introduce *broken* code in kdelibs as 
> well.
>     
>     From what I see, KStandardAction::create sets proper roles for some kind 
> of actions, so either:
>     a) such "standard" action types get created using 
> KStandardAction::create, and them customizing the resulting action
>     b) actions have the proper role set manually
> 
> René J.V. Bertin wrote:
>     We agree on that (indeed, items created through KStandardAction get the 
> appropriate role). I'm testing a version that simply does 
> `setMenuRole(NoRole)` in `setTextWithCorrectMenuRole()` to see what that 
> gives combined with my patched Qt version that doesn't guess AboutRole and 
> PreferencesRole.
>     
>     If that gives acceptable and expected behaviour, we'll have to sit back 
> and wait to see what Qt will do with my bug report, and then take proceed 
> from there. I presume there must be an appropriate place somewhere during the 
> KDE initialisation (KDE4 or KF5) where one can configure Qt, for instance?
> 
> Thomas Lübking wrote:
>     > I presume there must be an appropriate place somewhere during the KDE 
> initialisation
>     
>     You'd have some Qt::AA_MacNoMurkyActionRoleHeuristics and set it on eg. 
> the KFrameworkIntegrationPlugin constructor - though maybe it should rather 
> only be done when calling KStandardActions::create(), to avoid hitting 
> applications which make no use of the standard actions.
> 
> René J.V. Bertin wrote:
>     I'm guessing KFrameworkIntegrationPlugin is the KF5 name, there probably 
> is a KDE4 equivalent?
>     
>     I think it has to be called at the very beginning. Not just because 
> otherwise Qt may have already picked a PreferencesRole action before 
> KStandardActions items start getting created, but also because I fail to see 
> why one would let applications which make no use of standard actions be hit 
> with such actions by Qt ... After all, they either deal out MenuRoles 
> themselves, or they have a good reason not doing so.

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- Thomas


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> (Updated Sept. 17, 2014, 5:48 nachm.)
> 
> 
> Review request for KDE Software on Mac OS X, kdelibs, KDEPIM, Marco Martin, 
> and Olivier Goffart.
> 
> 
> Repository: kdelibs
> 
> 
> Description
> -------
> 
> This review is for 2 sets of changes; an initial one to the way "system tray" 
> are rendered, and a newer set that protects the Preferences menu from getting 
> linked to any action with an appropriate title.
> 
> -- the system tray:
> Until now, "system tray" menus had some rendering issues on Mac OS X:
> 
> - The menu title, the 1st menu item that on Linux shows the application name, 
> remained empty
> - Menu items that can (in principle, potentially) show an icon always showed 
> the icon
> 
> Point 1 was resolved by emulating the Linux addTitle/setTitle action in 
> `KStatusNotifierItemPrivate::init()` : the menu title is implemented as a 
> deactive standard menuitem followed by a separator. This makes the item stand 
> out on a GUI that doesn't support the kind of formatting in menus as used in 
> the Linux implementation.
> 
> Point 2 was identified as a Qt issue: `isIconVisibleInMenu` is ignored for 
> systray menus. It was resolved by adding `KMenu::addAction` methods that 
> overload the ones from QMenu that were hitherto inherited unchanged by KMenu. 
> The only different method is `addAction(QAction*)` which removes the icon 
> from the `QAction` if `isIconVisibleInMenu()` is false. The other `addAction` 
> methods are "overloaded with themselves" with `using QMenu::addAction;` in 
> the header file.
> 
> -- the Preferences menu item
> This is a menu item living in the Application menu, a menu that sits in the 
> menubar between the Apple (?) menu and the File menu. This menu also contains 
> the Quit command.
> KDE and Qt applications typically do not set up their menus in this fashion, 
> so Qt provides an automatic way to put relevant menu items (actions) in the 
> Application menu, using Apple's naming. The algorithm is described under 
> QMenuBar in the Qt documentation: for the Preferences action, it will 
> consider any action that has a text containing `config`, `options`, 
> `settings` or `preferences`, and put it under the Preferences label if its 
> menu role is set to `heuristic` (which appears to be the default).
> In practice, many applications provide a series of menu actions with names 
> that trigger this method, and they do not always create their own 
> preferences/settings/configuration menu first. Yet it is the first menu 
> action that matches that will be installed under the Preferences menu, with 
> the Command-, shortcut. A good example is KDevelop: it will have a 
> Preferences menu that activates the `Configure Selection` action - which does 
> not open a settings dialog but launches the configure or cmake procedure for 
> the selected project ...
> 
> My proposed solution overrides this Qt behaviour. On OS X, the `KAction(const 
> QString &text, QObject *parent)` constructor calls a modified (static) 
> function `setTextWithCorrectMenuRole` which checks the text against the 
> patterns Qt will consider for `PreferencesRole`. If it finds a match, it will 
> force the role to `NoRole`, unless it is a perfect match with the standard 
> KDE configuration action for the application (`"&Configuration appName..."`) 
> in which case it sets the role to `PreferencesRole`. This latter 
> consideration allows kdelibs to "catch" the configuration menu for 
> applications like KMail, which appear not to be created using 
> KStandardActions.
> This approach can be extended to other menu actions that end up incorrectly 
> in the OS X Application menu.
> 
> Applications that create menu actions using QAction or a different KAction 
> constructor will see no change (and should use `setMenuRole` selectively on 
> OS X).
> 
> 
> Diffs
> -----
> 
>   kdeui/actions/kaction.cpp 9e8f7fb 
>   kdeui/notifications/kstatusnotifieritem.cpp 1b15d40 
> 
> Diff: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/120149/diff/
> 
> 
> Testing
> -------
> 
> Testing was done with kdelibs git/master and KDE/MacPorts on OS X 10.6.8 . 
> The modified code is in compile-time conditional blocks used only on OS X, so 
> no regressions are to be expected on other platforms.
> 
> KF5 is not production ready on OS X, so I am not currently able to port these 
> modifications beyond KDE4. However, I did see that Qt5 has a new approach to 
> adding titles to menus, which can be described as a "labelled separator". 
> Backporting that function from the Qt5 source to kdelibs gave menu items that 
> had the separator but not the text (title) label. It is thus likely that some 
> kind of emulation will also be required with KF5, on OS X.
> 
> I considered doing the addTitle/setTitle emulation in kmenu.cpp, but decided 
> against that for now. Menu titles are rendered as under Linux in menus that 
> are not attached to the OS X toplevel menubar (say in context menus). Without 
> knowing how to distinguish the kind of menu in KMenu methods the emulation 
> will have to remain in the client code.
> 
> The Preferences menu protection should carry over easily to KF5, supposing 
> Qt5 uses the same heuristics to place relevant menu actions under the OS X 
> application menu, and supposing `KAction` has made the transition to KF5.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> René J.V. Bertin
> 
>

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