On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 8:30 PM, Albert Astals Cid <aa...@kde.org> wrote:
> El Divendres, 3 d'octubre de 2014, a les 03:28:44, Aleix Pol va escriure: > > On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 1:52 AM, Albert Astals Cid <aa...@kde.org> wrote: > > > El Divendres, 3 d'octubre de 2014, a les 00:04:42, Aleix Pol va > escriure: > > > > On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 11:34 PM, Ben Cooksley <bcooks...@kde.org> > wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > It seems there has been a recent outbreak of repository moves which > > > > > have been extremely poorly co-ordinated by those doing the > requests. > > > > > > > > > > In addition, it is actually a requirement that modules moving from > > > > > Extragear into (what was at least) the SC need to re-transit > through > > > > > KDE Review.It is also considered proper practice to at least inform > > > > > the translation, documentation and release teams in advance you > > > > > intend to make these moves - something which has also been > neglected. > > > > > > > > > > For all further repository structure moves - please ensure you have > > > > > received the appropriate consent from the above mentioned teams, > and > > > > > have announced them on the appropriate mailing lists in advance. > > > > > > > > > > @Plasma team: plasma-de...@kde.org does not constitute an > appropriate > > > > > mailing list, as it is not a community wide development mailing > list. > > > > > Only kde-devel and kde-core-devel qualify for this. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Ben Cooksley > > > > > KDE Sysadmin > > > > > > > > My apologies, I shouldn't have rushed into doing such moves and send > > > > e-mails to all the interested parties. > > > > > > > > If someone considers it appropriate, I can roll some of the changes > > > > back. > > > > > > Maybe you should explain the changes so people is aware of them :) > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Albert > > > > > > > Aleix > > > > Changes: > > - kde-gtk-config was moved from extragear/base to kde/workspace. > > - muon was moved from extragear/sysadmin to kde/workspace. > > > > That is, only projects.kde.org structure change. > > That's a total understament, it changes them from being something "extra" > to > be something totally core. So it's not "only" at all. > > > The reasoning is that this way they will be released together with Plasma > > Workspace. > > I don't see that anyone can have a problem with kde-gtk-config. > > The muon move i see as much less clear, there are other "installers" > provided > by KDE (kpackagekit comes to mind) and muon is not widely used (AFAIK) > outside > KUbuntu, thus putting all the weight of making it a core thing is > something I > think we should not be doing without a bigger discussion with the > community, > and not just in Plasma. > I don't expect to compete with Apper. Muon Discover is a software center and that's the main solution I'm pushing here, as I explained in Plasma. Apper is a package manager. That is, a way where we can display to our end-users what software there's available and also lets us a couple of tricks to get biased. I think this is very important, because it opens an opportunity to offer the end-user the full KDE experience we've been talking about. So far, the way everyone had to expose software was by creating a (usually spin-off) distribution where there was tons of software pre-installed. By providing a software center we open channels to communicate with the user where he can leverage on previous' users experience, as well as our own. > > > As they've been used they don't really make sense outside Plasma > > (especially the first) and we want to make sure that distros know these > > components are designed to work together with Plasma. > > you're saying muon doesn't make sense outside plasma? how come? How does it > stop working? > > > I didn't notify kde-core-devel because it didn't occur to me that the > > community would have an opinion regarding whether it's me who releases > the > > packages or Jonathan (who has been doing the Plasma packages). > > Again, that's a total understament, i feel very sad you think that > extragear/base vs kde/workspace is "just who releases the packages". > > Can you also please clarify to which release of plasma do you want to add > this > packages? I hope Plasma 5.2 since we're less than two weeks away from 5.1 > release and Beta has been released already, right? > > Cheers, > Albert > > > > > Cheers! > > Aleix > > I hope everything is clear now. Aleix