On Sat, 02 Dec 2017 10:27:16 +0100 Albert Astals Cid <aa...@kde.org> wrote:
> El divendres, 1 de desembre de 2017, a les 14:05:19 CET, Sebastian > Kügler va escriure: > > On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 18:41:28 +0100 > > > > Martin Koller <kol...@aon.at> wrote: > > > On Donnerstag, 30. November 2017 10:04:51 CET Sebastian Kügler > > > wrote: > > > > On woensdag 29 november 2017 21:23:15 CET Martin Koller wrote: > > > > > On Freitag, 3. November 2017 21:30:19 CET Martin Koller wrote: > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd like to announce an application I've implemented over > > > > > > the last few weeks - liquidshell > > > > > > > > > > since more than 3 weeks have passed, I hopefully have > > > > > addressed all issues and I got no further comments, are there > > > > > any blocking points you see or can I proceed requesting the > > > > > move to extragear ? > > > > > > > > > > A note regarding the comment to not use the start-here-kde > > > > > logo: I got in contact with the visual design group and got > > > > > the information to stay with this logo. > > > > > > > > I strongly disagree. Could you point me to the discussion? > > > > > > it was mail exchange in private (german) mails with the > > > breeze/oxygen-icons maintainer "kainz.a" <kain...@gmail.com> > > > > In any case, this is not just a visual design question, it's a > > branding and marketing question just as much, and a general > > communication and positioning question as well. > > Yes, the logo has to be changed. > > > > > I'm vetoing any move to released software at the very least until > > the logo has changed. I also don't think that a technical review of > > the code is enough to warrant us to ship liquidshell as a finished > > product, for the reasons that Martin Flöser pointed out. It would > > harm KDE as a whole and Plasma specifically (ironically, the > > product that you use most parts from). > > This is an interesting position, are we supposed to subordinate > technical decisions to marketing now? We are doing a review not just based on the code, but based on "is this suitable and a good idea for KDE to release in this way". It's not purely marketing, but general communication. If I wrote a very simple application that just poppped up a Window that said "Krita is crap", the code could technically be totally fine, but it may still not be a good idea to do it. If Martin wants to release this under the KDE umbrella, we should make sure we're not actively harming other people working inside KDE. > Also are you even sure we get better marketing by not allowing > liquidshell to be a KDE thing? > > I can very well see headlines like "Plasma developers force other KDE > developers outside of KDE". > > I would like to empathize that we are at our core Innovation. > > And yes, I agree that doing a desktop shell in QWidgets doesn't seem > like Innovation to me, but Innovation is the process of having new > ideas and products. Absolutely, but it should also be advertised in a healthy way, and liquidshell in its current form isn't. > Maybe this one has great "external" success and against your and my > prediction gives KDE 1000 new developers that besides contributing to > it also end up contributing to other parts of our software range. > > Let's try to think positive :) That's the point Martin Flöser already made: liquidshell should be advertised based on its merits, not based on "plasmashell is shit, here's something better (I think)" Cheers, -- sebas