Hi Alex,

For general info, the title of review 125163 is "Disable X11,XCB etc. detection 
on OS X".

On 13/09/2015, at 7:33 AM, Alex Merry wrote:
> Could OS X developers please give input on 
> https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/125163/ ?

Gods give me patience!

> I'm particularly interested in knowing whether building KF5-based software 
> with X11 support on OS X (via homebrew or macports) is a thing people do.

I don't know about Homebrew, but on Macports I do not think anybody is building
KF5-based software PERIOD.  And the prospect of any KF5-based software ever
being released on Macports is vanishing to non-existent AFAICS.

Even KDE4-based software *still* has many problems.  And we do not yet have an
official Macports solution to the problem of making Qt 5 and Qt 4 co-exist in 
an OS X
installation, let alone KF5 and KDE 4.

So your query is somewhat moot.

For most of last year and some of this year, a few of us tried hard to make KDE 
4
apps run better on OS X, but we were crying out for help from KDE developers
all the time, particularly with regard to the kdeinit/klauncher/kded/kio complex
which underlies so much of the software from the KDE Community and which
functions badly, if at all, in an OS X environment.

"Oh no," we were told, "we are far too busy with Frameworks and KF5 and anyway
KDE 4 is now becoming obsolete and unsupported".  So help never came.  But
we still managed to fix a few things in KDE 4 and Marko Käning developed the
first CI system for OS X.  Some of our fixes were relevant in KF5 and even in
Linux, notably https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337742, where Dr Konqi
was failing to submit crash reports.

A few months ago I spent WEEKS trying to KF5 and Qt 5 to build on OS X and
finally gave up.  Since then I have gone back to apps programming on KDE 4,
which is the only version I can get to run on my Macbook.  I know it is a 
dead-end,
but I have been working on features the users have requested.  Maybe I can port
the apps to pure-Qt4 or even Cocoa… ;-)  I think work on Qt5/KF5 on OS X is
currently blocked by the QStandardPaths problem and has been for a while.

So you see, if anyone has read this far, it is OS X developers who need help,
serious help, from KDE developers…  not the other way around.

FWIW, X11 is pretty much a dead issue on OS X and has been for years, since Qt 4
supported native OS X graphics and Apple stopped releasing X11 (Quartz) with OS 
X.
AFAIK, a few FOSS packages available via Macports or supplied in Apple versions 
by
their developers still use Quartz/X11.  Notable among these are Gimp and 
Inkscape.

Cheers, Ian W.



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