Adriaan de Groot wrote:
> On Monday 21 April 2008 18:12, Michael Schuster wrote:
>> Lukas Oboril wrote:
>>> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 1:16 PM, David Finberg <David.Finberg at sun.com> 
> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 18 Apr 2008, Lukas Oboril wrote:
>>>>>>  1) STDCXX doesn't properly deal with the compilers not being in
>>>>>>  /opt/SUNWspro, it does some header file mucking and moving based off
>>>>>> of /opt/SUNWspro/prod/include  and screws up for a non-default
>>>>>> comiler. Check the Solaris directory for the offender.
> 
> Regarding this original problem, I think we need to be pretty clear: if 
> you're 
> not running The Right Environment (and this needs to be documented on 
> Techbase as well, if not better) consisting of SS12 + patches 
> in /opt/SUNWspro and a home dir at $(HOME) with a pkgtool directory 
> ~/packages then right now building is out of the question.

despite all I said, this last (pkgtool directory == ~/packages) is a little 
unfortunate; within Sun, all (regular) home directories are NFS-mounted, so 
if you try to do this as "yourself", you'll be exercising NFS quite a bit 
and thereby limiting BW for others.

I'm by no means mandating that this be changed right now; but if we had a 
wish list, guess what would feature most prominent ... :-)

> It's a matter of distributing the available effort from the core team "best" 
> in some way: chasing variables in installations or getting the core software 
> to work or pulling in new developers.

Exactly my point, thx for clarifying the wording :-)


>> Last time I went through a compile cycle of KBE on Sparc (I never manage to
>> continue much further before job-life kicks in, but that's a different
>> story ...), I had the impression that it worked - I believe the result of
>> that compile cycle is still available on bionicmutton ;-)
> 
> Yes, those are still up there now. Last time I kicked my U45 to life it 
> worked 
> fine as well. Again, with exactly the default configuration.

good to know, thx for the confirmation.

>> I'd advocate for a fairly stable (or "known good") release of KBE at a
>> point in time that's not too far in the future (like yesterday ;-), and any
>> further development in a branch/fork/sandbox, that only gets pushed back
>> when a) it shows so much benefit that it outweighs the inconvenience
>>    or
>> b) we have a serious problem with the existing KBE that a simple patch(*)
>> cannot address.
> 
> The thing is, KBE *is* "known good" for the people using it every day. It 
> builds without a hitch for me whenever I try it. It obviously doesn't for 
> some other people, so what are we to do? Divert effort into getting KBE to 
> work under all circumstances, or go with the old-fashioned "send patches" 
> approach and carry on with KCE or KDE? I can tar up my current KBE for amd64 
> and stick it on bionicmutton if that could be useful to anyone.

Maybe I was operating under a mistaken perceiption here, ie, that KBE *is* 
changing too much - semi-regular emails (mostly from Luc) seemed to 
indicate this. I'll gladly accept that I'm wrong here :-)

Michael
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