> On Dec. 25, 2015, 3:42 p.m., René J.V. Bertin wrote:
> > src/kdeinit/kinit_mac.mm, lines 662-666
> > <https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/126161/diff/4/?file=418469#file418469line662>
> >
> > I'd love to add `[NSApp activateIgnoringOtherApps:YES]` and/or `[NSApp
> > unhide]` here, preceded by `[NSApplication sharedApplication]` so that the
> > spawned `executable` appears in front and not behind the windows of the
> > "parent" application.
> >
> > I think that's a very sensible thing to do, but sadly those calls are
> > part of (or call into) the SDKs that are off-limits between a `fork()` and
> > an `exec()`.
> >
> > This really makes me reconsider to use a wrapper, because it quickly
> > grows old 1) having to wait for an expected application to appear, 2)
> > realise it must have opened somewhere in the background and 3) go dig it up.
> >
> > If only I could be sure that the spawned application is NOT supposed to
> > inherit the environment and other context from kdeinit5. In that case I
> > could rewrite the command to execute so that it uses LaunchServices ... via
> > a proxy that's already available (`/usr/bin/open`).
> >
> > NB: this may well be why `[NSProcessInfo setProcessName:]` doesn't
> > appear to have the intended effect.
> >
> > So, David, what's worse here — introducing an additional layer or
> > putting up with applications that play hide and seek?
>
> David Faure wrote:
> Starting apps via kdeinit is only an optimization. It's perfectly OK to
> start apps directly with QProcess instead. So yes, the spawned application is
> NOT supposed to inherit the environment from kdeinit5.
>
> As previously stated, I strongly recommend to avoid the whole
> complication of "stuff I can't do between fork and exec" on OSX, but not
> using fork and exec at all (wrapper or not), and just starting the other
> process directly with QProcess. If that doesn't bring the new app to the
> front, maybe that's a QProcess bug or missing feature? If you think about
> this as a "pure Qt application developer", such a developer would expect
> QProcess to be able to start a GUI app and have it pop up to the front. Maybe
> you can write a small test with QProcess, to check if that works out of the
> box (maybe all your troubles actually come from the indirection via
> kdeinit...)
I will indeed have to have another look at what QProcess does exactly in
qprocess_unix, but a priori it looks a variant on the fork+exec scheme. There
is support for app bundles, but that works by obtaining the bundle executable
and launching it as it if were a regular application.
The underlying issue is not with Qt, it's something specific to OS X. Maybe
there's a reason for it: it could be a cheap way to avoid stealing focus from
the "parent" process. The app bundle detection could be used to channel
spawning the new process through LaunchServices so that it does open in the
foreground, and that could even be extended to cover symlinks that point inside
an app bundle (i.e. open `foo.app` instead of
`/path/to/foo.app/Contents/MacOS/foo_bundle_exec`). Qt's design choices may
make that impossible though: QProcess's implementatin (notably
`QProcessPrivate::startProcess()`) is quite complex and if it is supposed to
support Posix-style communication between parent and child (including pipes)
then LaunchServices is probably out of the question. I don't think there is any
such assumption in kdeinit, correct?
I have to come back a bit on the idea of using `/usr/bin/open` : it tends to
use Terminal.app to launch shell scripts and "certain" regular executables
("BSD utilities" in Mac speak). That's evidently not an option. I do have
wrapper utilities lying around that I hacked together, I'll see if and how I
can refactor relevant code from them into kinit_mac.mm .
- René J.V.
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> (Updated Nov. 26, 2015, 5:20 p.m.)
>
>
> Review request for KDE Software on Mac OS X and KDE Frameworks.
>
>
> Repository: kinit
>
>
> Description
> -------
>
> This patch addresses several issues with the OS X adaptations:
>
> -1 replaces the obsolete Q_OS_MAC with Q_OS_OSX
> -2 builds the relevant applications `nongui` instead of as app bundles
> -3 turns klauncher into an "agent" by setting `LSUIElement` to true
> programmatically
> -4 ports a patch that has been in MacPorts' `port:kdelibs4` since October
> 14th 2009, which prevents a kdeinit crash that is caused by calling exec
> after `fork()` in an application that has used non-POSIX APIs and/or calling
> those APIs in the exec'ed application. This patch (originally by MacPorts
> developers Jeremy Lainé and Jeremy Lavergne) rearranges call order and uses a
> proxy application to do the actual exec.
>
>
> Diffs
> -----
>
> src/kdeinit/CMakeLists.txt f94db71
> src/kdeinit/kdeinit5_proxy.mm PRE-CREATION
> src/kdeinit/kinit.cpp a18008a
> src/kdeinit/kinit_mac.mm PRE-CREATION
> src/klauncher/CMakeLists.txt 746edfa
> src/klauncher/klauncher.h e155f72
> src/klauncher/klauncher.cpp 8b3d343
> src/klauncher/klauncher_main.cpp f69aaa5
> src/start_kdeinit/CMakeLists.txt 46d6cb3
> src/wrapper.cpp 95b7ec2
>
> Diff: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/126161/diff/
>
>
> Testing
> -------
>
> On OS X 10.9.5 with Qt 5.5.1 and KF5rameworks 5.16.0 . With this patch,
> starting `kded5` will launch kdeinit5 and klauncher5 as expected, but
> `kdeinit5 --kded` does not yet launch `kded5`. This is probably acceptable
> for typical KF5 use on OS X (kded5 can be launched as a login item or as a
> LaunchAgent) but I will have another look at why the kded isn't started.
>
> I am not yet able to perform further testing; practice will for instance have
> to show whether point 2 above needs revision (apps that need to be installed
> as app bundles).
>
> Similarly it will have to be seen whether point 3 above has any drawbacks.
> Applications running as agents do not show up in the Dock or App Switcher.
> Thus, klauncher will not be able to "turn itself into" an application that
> does have a full GUI presence with my current modification. I don't know if
> that's supposed to be possible though.
> NB: I have been building the KDE4 klauncher in a way that makes it impossible
> to construct a GUI at all, so I'm not expecting issues in KF5 as long as
> klauncher's role hasn't evolved too much.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> René J.V. Bertin
>
>
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