Ah, at least we are discussing kdenlive, which is a good thing. No one here is trying to wreck kdenlive, as we are all users of this fine software.
I believe that everyone has the right to speak, and Larry is obviously unhappy about something. Honestly, I would not know what chroma key is, and even less on how to use it. But, if someone can point me to the bug report on this issue I can investigate and see if maybe we can flesh out the ticket, and do most of the hard legwork for JB. I might even learn something in the process. Sounds fair, everyone? Oh, and I do think some sort of a bounty program would be awesome. I use free software for the freedom aspect of it, not because I can't afford to pay for it. :P On 18 June 2016 at 20:44, farid abdelnour <snd.no...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Larry, > > Two things: > > 1- This isn't a place for politics, even though using free software could > be a political stance, here we discuss everything related to kdenlive it is > not censorship but focus on the topic. Plus there are better places for > this issues. > > 2- The tone you write your emails with are as is someone owes you > something. If you don't like how something has changed try to come up with > a solution and not just complain. If you want something urgently then offer > a bounty and maybe someone will pick it up. > > Have a good weekend. > > > 2016-06-18 15:22 GMT-03:00 Larry Engel <larryen...@justice.com>: > >> In Kdenlive the Chroma Key worked well. There are even youtube.com >> videos showing how to use it. >> With all do respect Mr Massimo Stella the tone of my comment is based on >> the fact that in earlier versions Chroma Key was doing a good job. >> Someone made an error causing a major problem when that should have left >> well enough alone, if they did not want to spend the time to test changes. >> All video editors today are subject to sabotage for political reasons. >> It is a way to censor the internet. When something goes beyond a mere bug >> and causes major problems, hopefully it was a mistake. The Chroma Key was >> working and easy to use, just put it back the way it was in earlier >> versions. So why did this happen? Will the party explain the change? What >> is the idea? Why do they not believe that wrecking Chroma Key is serious >> stuff? I have experienced a couple of slam bugs, if that is the problem >> with Kdenkive folks - heres how to handle it. Don't get upset! Save your >> work frequently. when it crashes reboot and go on with the project. It is >> no big deal. Killing Chroma Key is major! >> --- kdenlive-requ...@kde.org wrote: >> >> From: kdenlive-requ...@kde.org >> To: kdenlive@kde.org >> Subject: kdenlive Digest, Vol 20, Issue 13 >> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 16:01:36 +0000 >> >> Send kdenlive mailing list submissions to >> kdenlive@kde.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdenlive >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> kdenlive-requ...@kde.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> kdenlive-ow...@kde.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of kdenlive digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Kdenlive release cycles (Narcis Garcia) >> 2. Re: R: Re: kdenlive Digest, Vol 20, Issue 11 (Evert Vorster) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 18:00:11 +0200 >> From: Narcis Garcia <informat...@actiu.net> >> To: kdenlive@kde.org >> Subject: [kdenlive] Kdenlive release cycles >> Message-ID: <5765700b.6000...@actiu.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> How does work Kdenlive's versioning and stabilization? >> >> Are there some kind of "major", "LTS" or "stable" versions that are >> feature-frozen and focused about updates for bug fixing? >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 17:01:25 +0100 >> From: Evert Vorster <evors...@gmail.com> >> To: Massimo Stella <maxs...@tin.it> >> Cc: larryen...@justice.com, Kdenlive <kdenlive@kde.org> >> Subject: Re: [kdenlive] R: Re: kdenlive Digest, Vol 20, Issue 11 >> Message-ID: >> < >> caer78vsphp68xda9eua5ibeunmubxr4+2me5pa6_ikymhhv...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Hi there, just to clear up some confusion on some points... >> >> Some applications have a default scheme, and also a setting for following >> the system scheme. This makes just about everyone happy. >> Kdenlive is by default to follow the system, scheme, and that is not a bad >> default at all. >> >> Not a single complaint from me there. >> >> That Kdenlive is buggy is a statement of fact. That this buggyness >> detracts >> from the user experience is a fact. I can point you to a rather long list >> of open bugs on kdenlive. >> I can also point you to a much longer list of closed out bugs, which >> attests to the Herculean efforts that JB is putting in. Still no >> complaints >> from my side. >> >> If I could code, I would contribute, but I can't, and I am doing the next >> best thing and reporting bugs that I find, as I find them. Hopefully no >> one >> is confusing this with complaining. >> >> In my opinion, Kdenlive is doing about as well as a single main developer >> can do with maintenance in his spare time. >> We either need more developers donating spare time, or hire a developer >> either part time or full time... for which we need money. >> >> Any ideas on how much money is needed or how it can be made are quite >> welcome, of course. >> >> One way would be to pay for preferential treatment for bug fixes or >> feature >> additions. I would gladly pay $50 to be able to switch projects between >> fps >> without corruption, for instance. >> >> Kind regards, >> Evert >> >> On 18 June 2016 at 15:35, Massimo Stella <maxs...@tin.it> wrote: >> >> > I never commented before emails about topics not directly linked to the >> > improvement of Kdenlive. But now I'm really bored in reading texts which >> > contains, though in a respectful form, insults, outlets for frustration >> and >> > useless polemics. >> > My opinion is that we have to help developers in creating an application >> > which can interest professionals and I believe that we'll be able to do >> it >> > by inserting in Kdenlive the majority of the tools professionals need >> > before we create the windows version. When the Windows version will be >> > ready (as Windows on desktop is still adopted by 75% of the users) >> people >> > will be able to decide if to continue to use proprietary software or >> FLOSS >> > for professional video editing purpose. >> > When I read sentence like "Thereby, making Kdenkive a amateur second >> class >> > editor. It is more than a bug" related to chromakey feature, or "I >> > respectfully disagree on same look everywhere." and then "Kdenlive >> today is >> > that it is so buggy that you can't do any serious work on it" I think >> that >> > people before to write has to know better what are real video editor >> > applications on the market, how they are used by real professionals and >> > take respect for the hard job people, like Jean-Baptiste, are doing. >> > About chromakey and effects filters I already wrote that in real world >> > producers use video editor applications for editing and compositing >> > software for comppositing. So generally in a professional studio or in >> > television nobody use AVID for chromkeying purpose. Of course it's >> better >> > to have a fully functionally chromakey feature working inside Kdenlive >> (for >> > fast and rough keying jobs) but the lack of it doesn't make "make >> Kdenkive >> > a amateur second class editor. It is more than a bug". Feature lacks for >> > real editors are others. For a good chromakey you can use Blender >> > compositor and Natron, just for eg., which were created also for this >> > purpose. You create effects in a compositing application and then you >> edit >> > them inside your video with a video editor applications, this is what >> > happens in real productions. >> > Then someone complains about bugs but it also complains about the GUI. >> He >> > wants less bugs but also a configurable theme fo making his computer >> looks >> > all the same. >> > Actually in proprietary software world each application has it's own >> theme >> > and you can just maybe change the color if you are lucky. Also some >> > application on the FLOSS world work this way too. If to create a fixed >> > theme and set of icons help to fix bugs in the Kdenlive GUI we have to >> > choose the way which easier solve the problem instead of ask for >> something >> > which consume time in developping other more important features. >> > I believe we have to test and know what others very costly applications, >> > developped by groups of dozens of people, do and try to sugguest how to >> > improve Kdenlive for becoming the best video editor application ever, >> > instead of complain and use these tones. >> > >> > My suggestion is to follows these steps: >> > 1. Complete the application with all the tools for editing (not for >> > compositing) professionals need. >> > 2. Fix all the bugs (even during the first step) >> > 3. Propose the software to the Windows community and simplify the way to >> > install it on MacOS (and with this move we'll enter in direct >> competition >> > with Adobe, Avid and other software houses) >> > 4. Improve the software by adding filters and compositing feature we >> still >> > miss. >> > >> > So, please, stop to complain and collaborate! >> > >> > ----Messaggio originale---- >> > Da: larryen...@justice.com >> > Data: 18-giu-2016 14.52 >> > A: <kdenlive@kde.org> >> > Ogg: Re: [kdenlive] kdenlive Digest, Vol 20, Issue 11 >> > >> > >> > No video editor can be consider serious if Chrome Key does not work with >> > blue or green as is the case with Ubuntu 15.04.1 >> > >> > --- kdenlive-requ...@kde.org wrote: >> > >> > From: kdenlive-requ...@kde.org >> > To: kdenlive@kde.org >> > Subject: kdenlive Digest, Vol 20, Issue 11 >> > Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 12:00:15 +0000 >> > >> > Send kdenlive mailing list submissions to >> > kdenlive@kde.org >> > >> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdenlive >> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> > kdenlive-requ...@kde.org >> > >> > You can reach the person managing the list at >> > kdenlive-ow...@kde.org >> > >> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> > than "Re: Contents of kdenlive digest..." >> > >> > >> > Today's Topics: >> > >> > 1. Re: Catching discussions from Kdenlive café #7 (Evert Vorster) >> > >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > Message: 1 >> > Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 04:24:45 +0100 >> > From: Evert Vorster <evors...@gmail.com> >> > To: Jesse DuBord <jesse.dub...@gmail.com> >> > Cc: Kdenlive <kdenlive@kde.org> >> > Subject: Re: [kdenlive] Catching discussions from Kdenlive café #7 >> > Message-ID: >> > <caer78vt0+cmpvo81fma11_5+akddjd+0lhh+m5g-vkgab7t...@mail.gmail.com> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> > >> > I respectfully disagree on same look everywhere. >> > >> > >> > I use the breeze dark theme on my desktop, and expect ALL my >> applications >> > to have that theme applied. >> > >> > Someone else might prefer a different theme for their desktop, and >> expect >> > that theme to be everywhere. >> > >> > Like it or not, desktops have themes, and there are as many variations >> as >> > there are people using them. >> > >> > Even something as simple as layout... what I prefer is completely >> different >> > from what you prefer. The beauty of kdenlive today it that it is >> > _configurable_, so that you can get the look and layout that you want, >> and >> > I can get the look and layout that _I_ want, and everybody is happy. >> > >> > The biggest detractor of Kdenlive today is that it is so buggy that you >> > can't do any serious work on it. Of course I use the git version, so the >> > set up bugs keep changing, and I do bug reports as quickly as I can >> ferret >> > them out, but the list of bugs seem to be growing. At some point we >> have to >> > stop adding features for a bit and squash bugs, which will improve the >> user >> > experience much, much more than a nice set of icons. >> > >> > Regards, >> > Evert Vorster >> > >> > On 17 June 2016 at 23:28, Jesse DuBord <jesse.dub...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > > I completely agree with Farid about the universal interface. >> Preferably, >> > > it would be great to see it all the same across distros right out of >> the >> > > box, without the user needing to go into styles and themes to choose >> what >> > > they think it should look like. For GNOME-based desktops, it's almost >> 90% >> > > identical to Kdenlive in KDE Plasma -- the only exception I'm seeing >> are >> > > the dialog boxes when opening a project or adding clips/media (see >> this >> > > bug: <https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=360882> >> > > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=360882). However this can be set >> > up, >> > > I think it would be a huge step towards a more solid, positive >> > recognition >> > > with the Kdenlive appearance; users will know it by its look and >> color, >> > you >> > > know? >> > > >> > > >> > > On 06/17/2016 05:00 AM, kdenlive-requ...@kde.org wrote: >> > > >> > > Send kdenlive mailing list submissions to >> > > kdenlive@kde.org >> > > >> > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> > > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdenlive >> > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> > > kdenlive-requ...@kde.org >> > > >> > > You can reach the person managing the list at >> > > kdenlive-ow...@kde.org >> > > >> > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> > > than "Re: Contents of kdenlive digest..." >> > > >> > > >> > > Today's Topics: >> > > >> > > 1. Re: Catching discussions from Kdenlive café #7 (farid >> abdelnour) >> > > >> > > >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > >> > > Message: 1 >> > > Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 17:52:20 -0300 >> > > From: farid abdelnour <snd.no...@gmail.com> <snd.no...@gmail.com> >> > > To: kdenlive <kdenlive@kde.org> <kdenlive@kde.org> >> > > Subject: Re: [kdenlive] Catching discussions from Kdenlive café #7 >> > > Message-ID: >> > > <cahmxv36snyradxwonqmxpbyuxvvnqqtaxm6jmdf+l1m-kde...@mail.gmail.com> >> < >> > cahmxv36snyradxwonqmxpbyuxvvnqqtaxm6jmdf+l1m-kde...@mail.gmail.com> >> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> > > >> > > Hi Vincent, >> > > >> > > - packaging: I had already updated stable PPA to 16.04.1. For me the >> > logics >> > > >> > > behind PPAs is still relevant: master for dev version, testing for >> bugfix >> > > as soon as they get out (16.04 branch for the moment), and stable for >> > > releases (downloads not more than every month) >> > > >> > > >> > > How relevant are PPA's now that Snap is launched? >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > - Movit: just seen on forum that the lib is sensitive to localization: >> > https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=269&t=132764&p=358335#p358314 >> worth >> > > a try!? >> > > >> > > >> > > I see that in Shotcut Movit causes a lot of bugs, I think we should >> wait >> > > until it gets stable or add a warning to users. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > - icons: that's really surprising that no script can do the job yet! >> What >> > > is montel doing? ;) >> > > >> > > >> > > Icons are messy still and this should be fixed for 16.08. We need to >> > offer >> > > a similar interface experience across all platforms and between >> different >> > > distros. A packaging guideline should be established. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > - site: I have no time for this; maybe I should handle the >> installation >> > > part? (want to look at Flatpak!) >> > > >> > > >> > > Yes,please join in :) >> > > >> > > What are your views? Snap, Flatpak or both? >> > > >> > > - wanted to add: Farid is asking for EDL for years... and Shotcut has >> > just >> > > >> > > integrated this feature! Maybe not so far for Kdenlive? >> > > >> > > >> > > That would be a dream come true. I see Natron people have noticed >> this. >> > Do >> > > you know which EDL stardard they use? >> > > >> > > Cheers >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > J e s s e D u B o r d >> > > ❯ Filmmaker, Screenwriter, Director, 3D Animator, Dreamer. >> > > >> > > YouTube <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_32AyzBmFl_AXJ8mqOeAfw> | >> > > Google+ <https://plus.google.com/+JDRichards/posts> | Twitter >> > > <https://twitter.com/JesseDuBord> >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > kdenlive mailing list >> > > kdenlive@kde.org >> > > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdenlive >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Evert Vorster >> > Isometrix Acquistion Superchief >> > (Streamer Handling) >> > -------------- next part -------------- >> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> > URL: < >> > >> http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kdenlive/attachments/20160618/509c568f/attachment-0001.html >> > > >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > Subject: Digest Footer >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > kdenlive mailing list >> > kdenlive@kde.org >> > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdenlive >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > >> > End of kdenlive Digest, Vol 20, Issue 11 >> > **************************************** >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _____________________________________________________________ >> > Find a local lawyer and free legal information at FindLaw.com. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > kdenlive mailing list >> > kdenlive@kde.org >> > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdenlive >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > kdenlive mailing list >> > kdenlive@kde.org >> > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdenlive >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> Evert Vorster >> Isometrix Acquistion Superchief >> (Streamer Handling) >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kdenlive/attachments/20160618/1266bd02/attachment.html >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kdenlive mailing list >> kdenlive@kde.org >> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdenlive >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of kdenlive Digest, Vol 20, Issue 13 >> **************************************** >> >> >> >> >> _____________________________________________________________ >> Find a local lawyer and free legal information at FindLaw.com. >> _______________________________________________ >> kdenlive mailing list >> kdenlive@kde.org >> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdenlive >> > > > > -- > 1111.1010.r.i.1101|n.o.i.s.1110|i.m.1010.g.1110|مقاومة > fsf member #5439 > usuario GNU/Linux #471966 > |_|0|_| > |_|_|0| > |0|0|0| > <a href="http://www.gunga.com.br">gunga</a> > <a href="http://www.tempoecoarte.com.br">tempoecoarte</a> > <a href="http://www.atelier-labs.org">atelier-labs</a> > <a href="http://www.mocambos.net">rede mocambos</a> > > _______________________________________________ > kdenlive mailing list > kdenlive@kde.org > https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kdenlive > > -- Evert Vorster Isometrix Acquistion Superchief (Streamer Handling)
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