Jeffrey Hsu wrote: > > FreeBSD has moved most of their ppp, atm, pppoe, and other > > features to netgraph and ours are pretty decrepit so getting this > > working post-release will be a big benefit to our network stack. > > I'm on record as saying I think we should axe netgraph completely, > rather than updating it. NetBSD and OpenBSD do no have netgraph > and they have working ppp, pppoe, and atm, so clearly netgraph is > not required for ppp, pppoe, and atm.
And for bluetooth ... In fact we have bluetooth stack from NetBSD in the tree already. > In fact, the big problem I have with having netgraph in our system is > then unsuspecting newbies might think they have to use it to do their > networking work. I've never met anyone who tried to used netgraph who > didn't curse its very existence. Well. As far as I can see, it has its' purpose. It might speed up significantly prototyping work. But yes, the problem is that these prototypes are gone into production. That's exactly what happened with a lot of stuff using netgraph in FreeBSD. So, I clearly prefer stuff not using netgraph, but as long as no one stepped up and ported or implemented it, it has to stay. -- Hasso Tepper
