Bob, My only objection was that your questions seemed a bit of a derail, that's all, not the content of your posts.
Adam Wolf On Jan 23, 2015 10:31 AM, "Bob Gustafson" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi All > > My motivation on this list is to help with the testing - particularly OSX. > My hope is to be working with a solid OSX version of KiCad with all the > bells and whistles - one that comes out of the public repository - and that > I can get working without an intimate knowledge of Mac development. When > this goal is achieved, I'm sure there will be many Mac users who will > become board designers. The world of IoT needs help and KiCad can > contribute a lot. > > I can test what lands in the public code repository and report back to > this list what I have found and what work-arounds I have managed to > discover. I have tried to do this. > > I looked ahead in this mailing list and appreciate the comments and help > contributed today by Wayne and Bernard (line 285, plists, enviro patch - > good stuff - I will try them out today) > > ---- > > I have a few Linux systems (Fedora 21 - broken wxPython3.0.2 - Fed22 will > have an update in May) which are more powerful than my little Mac Air, but > my Mac goes along on my travels. (Sorry, no Windows machines) > > ---- > > As an additional hope - my suggestion awhile ago to be able to put KiCad > on a flash drive - was to encourage that files be kept 'close together' and > not scattered all over the disk. My wife has a Mac mini with a huge screen. > With a flash drive implementation, I could quickly move to her system when > she is not around :-) > > Thanks much for your patience and fun response to my occasional comment. > Please don't feel that I am criticizing any of your efforts. I'm just > trying to test ahead of the documentation. This list is invaluable for that. > > Best regards > > Bob G > > On 01/22/2015 10:10 PM, Adam Wolf wrote: > > I'm not sure, Bob. I was trying to make this thread be about a UI change > to the library manager window. However, I'm a little too tired to be a > stickler about it, and I have buy-in from Wayne and no screams of bloody > murder from anyone else, so... > > If you want to build your own stuff on OS X, and you need to change the > environment variables, I suggest you change them Info.plist inside the > bundle. Then you can double-click on the icon and it works fine, as well > as using "open blah.app" from the terminal. There are details on this in > the archives from the last six months, I think between me and Bernhard. If > you can't find them, let me know on-list and I can dig them up. > > Wayne is working on a more user-friendly setup shortly, so maybe you can > just let time pass and the problem will solve itself--or... > > Please let me reiterate: > > There is nothing magical about KISYSMOD. > > There is nothing wrong with editing your fp-lib-table so that there are > no environment variables in them whatsoever. If you are being stymied by > environment variables in Kicad... you can just ignore them! Put full paths > in your fp-lib-table and ignore everyone on the list talking about > environment variables. > > If I had a time machine, the first thing I would do is go to the REM Green > Tour. The second thing I would do is go to when the devs were discussing > the environment variables for fp-lib-table, and show them evidence of how > confusing this is to users without getting busted by the Time Police. > > I don't fault the devs for fixing the bug this way. The devs had > recently been bitten by a truly nasty search path issue, and were trying to > figure a good way out of it. > > Personally, I think Wayne's path manager is the next step in making > fp-lib-table that shines as much from the user and packager side as it does > from the developer side. > > I only truly got what fp-lib-table and the environment variables were > doing sometime in the last six months, and I know users who love Kicad who > keep a version around from before fp-lib-table just because they find it > too confusing. > > Adam Wolf > Cofounder and Engineer > Wayne and Layne, LLC > > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 10:44 PM, Bob Gustafson <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Adam >> >> I'm looking at the fp-lib-tables and their placement. Environment >> variables are giving me problems. >> >> What title would you suggest for a new thread? >> >> Bob G >> >> >> On 01/22/2015 06:02 PM, Adam Wolf wrote: >> >> Hi Bob, >> >> I'm not sure this is the right thread for your question. Maybe start a >> new one? >> >> Adam Wolf >> >> On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 6:02 PM, Bob Gustafson <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> On 01/22/2015 03:37 PM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: >>> >>>> On 1/22/2015 4:35 PM, Bob Gustafson wrote: >>>> >>>>> If I don't do anything, KiCad wants the definition of KISYSMOD as an >>>>> environment variable. >>>>> >>>> This is only true if you keep a copy of the footprint libraries on your >>>> system and you don't use the GitHub plugin to access them from >>>> https://github.com/KiCad. Otherwise ${KISYSMOD} is replaced with >>>> ${KIGITHUB}. Either way, you need the correct environment variable set. >>>> Otherwise, no libraries. >>>> >>> >>> Yep >>> >>> What I do is: (in a Terminal window) >>> >>> export KISYSMOD='~/kicad_sources/library-repos' >>> >>> To run kicad - using the same Terminal window (to pick up the KISYSMOD >>> def) >>> >>> ~/KiCad/bin/kicad.app/Contents/MacOS/kicad >>> >>> It runs, but when I try to pick up some components - it wants .mod files >>> - the repo directory only has .pretty >>> >>> Later - I have to go now. >>> >>> Bob G >>> >>> >>> >>>> The window PCB LIBRARY TABLES shows ${KISYSMOD}/ in front of every >>>>> component. >>>>> >>>>> The panel below on the PCB LIBRARY TABLES window shows KISYSMOD as an >>>>> undefined environment variable. >>>>> >>>>> Kicad has trouble if KISYSMOD is not defined prior to running kicad >>>>> >>>>> Bob G >>>>> >>>>> On 01/22/2015 03:16 PM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> As of right now, the preloaded fp-lib-table files are installed in >>>>>> ${CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX}/share/kicad/template on Linux and Windows. On >>>>>> OSX they appear to be installed in >>>>>> ${OSX_BUNDLE_INSTALL_DIR}/${OSX_BUNDLE_SUP_DIR}/template where ever >>>>>> that >>>>>> works out to be. The fp-lib-table files themselves are part of the >>>>>> kicad-library source so hopefully the install path is the same for >>>>>> them >>>>>> on OSX as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 1/22/2015 4:10 PM, Adam Wolf wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> This is going to be slick, Wayne. Is there any particular place that >>>>>>> seems decent to put the preconfigured fp-table-libs? In my mind, >>>>>>> they're almost templates... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Adam Wolf >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 4:01 PM, Wayne Stambaugh < >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 1/22/2015 3:56 PM, Adam Wolf wrote: >>>>>>> > Do you mean <PREFSDIR>/fp-table-lib? (i.e., on >>>>>>> > Linux ~/.config/kicad/fp-lib-table?) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > I really like this idea. The wizard already does a good job >>>>>>> explaining >>>>>>> > what each type of fp-lib-table entry is. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Then it should be possible to add the code to copy a >>>>>>> pre-configured >>>>>>> fp-lib-table file to the proper path. The only tricky part >>>>>>> would be >>>>>>> setting up any environment variables. I have a patch that sets >>>>>>> default >>>>>>> environment variables for KIGITHUB and KISYS3DMOD on start >>>>>>> up. I >>>>>>> haven't designed the dialog to edit them yet. It needs tested >>>>>>> on OSX so >>>>>>> I will post it some time tomorrow to get some feed back. The >>>>>>> environment variables are saved in the kicad_common config file >>>>>>> so you >>>>>>> could simple add new config entry for something like KISYSMOD >>>>>>> from the >>>>>>> fp-lib-table wizard for footprint libraries stored on the >>>>>>> system >>>>>>> once I >>>>>>> commit the code. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Adam Wolf >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Wayne Stambaugh >>>>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Maybe you could add an "Initialize Global Table" mode to >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> > fp-lib-table wizard where a predefined table file is >>>>>>> copied to ~/. You >>>>>>> > could test for ~/fp-lib-table and enter this mode >>>>>>> automatically or enter >>>>>>> > the "Edit Table" mode when ~/fp-lib-table is already >>>>>>> defined. This >>>>>>> > would also prevent further cluttering of the library >>>>>>> table >>>>>>> editor. >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > On 1/22/2015 10:53 AM, Adam Wolf wrote: >>>>>>> > > The new fp-lib-table wizard is great for adding new >>>>>>> entries to the >>>>>>> > > current table, but does not appear to have a "load >>>>>>> defaults" type option. >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > However, this is based on using it, not reading the >>>>>>> code, so it is >>>>>>> > > possible the feature is included somewhere I did not >>>>>>> see. >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > Adam Wolf >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 1:27 AM, Nick Østergaard >>>>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>>>> > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > How does this compare to the new fp lib table >>>>>>> wizard? >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > 2015-01-22 6:09 GMT+01:00 Adam Wolf >>>>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected] >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>>>> > > <mailto:[email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>> > <mailto:[email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>>>>: >>>>>>> > > > Hi folks! >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > I have a question about adding another feature >>>>>>> to the >>>>>>> > > fp-lib-tables manager, >>>>>>> > > > which is already pretty crowded and I want to get >>>>>>> buy-in >>>>>>> > before even >>>>>>> > > > attempting a patch. >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > Background: >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > Running into another issue with the KiCad Mac >>>>>>> experience. >>>>>>> > Just to >>>>>>> > > recap, I'm >>>>>>> > > > trying for 2 DMGs. >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > One is called "KiCad Extras" and currently >>>>>>> includes >>>>>>> the modules >>>>>>> > > from github, >>>>>>> > > > and the fp-table-lib.for-pretty renamed just >>>>>>> fp-table-lib. The >>>>>>> > > idea is that >>>>>>> > > > users can download the extras DMG, and no longer >>>>>>> need >>>>>>> to be >>>>>>> > online for >>>>>>> > > > Kicad. >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > The modules directory is fine, we provide a "drop >>>>>>> target" >>>>>>> > (just a >>>>>>> > > symlink) >>>>>>> > > > of /Library/Application Support/kicad/. >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > However, the fp-table-lib is tricky. The >>>>>>> per-user >>>>>>> "global" >>>>>>> > (across >>>>>>> > > > projects" fp-table-lib is located in >>>>>>> > ~/Library/Preferences/kicad/ >>>>>>> > > We cannot >>>>>>> > > > make a "drop target" in a DMG that points to ~/. >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > Making a "package" works around this, but users >>>>>>> don't like >>>>>>> > > packages unless >>>>>>> > > > they're part of App Store (because they usually >>>>>>> don't >>>>>>> > realize they're >>>>>>> > > > packages :)). I don't want to do that. >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > Question: Would a way to "load default >>>>>>> fp-lib-tables" >>>>>>> be useful >>>>>>> > > to other >>>>>>> > > > people in the library table manager? This would >>>>>>> take >>>>>>> a look >>>>>>> > at what >>>>>>> > > > fp-lib-tables.* are available in a location, and >>>>>>> give >>>>>>> users the >>>>>>> > > ability to >>>>>>> > > > replace their fp-lib-tables with known >>>>>>> defaults--i.e. >>>>>>> I want to >>>>>>> > > use github, >>>>>>> > > > I want to use eagle, I want to use on-disk >>>>>>> pretties >>>>>>> > downloaded from >>>>>>> > > > github... >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > The more I think about this, I think that it >>>>>>> might >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> only help >>>>>>> > > the Mac >>>>>>> > > > install experience, but actually help the new >>>>>>> user >>>>>>> > experience on all >>>>>>> > > > platforms. >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > Thoughts? (and greetings from Montreal, where I >>>>>>> am on >>>>>>> business >>>>>>> > > and also >>>>>>> > > > working on Kicad Mac nightlies while stuffed with >>>>>>> curry >>>>>>> > poutine...) >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > Adam Wolf >>>>>>> > > > Cofounder and Engineer >>>>>>> > > > W&L >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> > > > Mailing list: >>>>>>> https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>>>> > > > Post to : >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>> > <mailto:[email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>>>> > > <mailto:[email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>> > <mailto:[email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>>> >>>>>>> > > > Unsubscribe : >>>>>>> https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>>>> > > > More help : >>>>>>> https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> > > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>>>> > > Post to : [email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>> > <mailto:[email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>>>> > > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>>>> > > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>>>> > Post to : [email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>> > <mailto:[email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>>>> > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>>>> > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>>> Post to : [email protected] >>>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>> Post to : [email protected] >>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>> Post to : [email protected] >>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>> Post to : [email protected] >>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>> >> >> >> > >
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