To be honest, I've never been a big fan of dialog box layout tools.
Their strength is there weakness. They promote designing quick dialog
box layouts that makes reuse difficult. Take a look at the padding and
overall layout in KiCad's dialogs. They are all over the map. I prefer
hand coding dialogs. It's painfully slow but encourages reuse (well
designed base dialog classes) and standardization (using wxSizerFlags).
I agree with Wayne. Dialog layout tools are nice to get up and running
quickly, but the more I use them, the more they get in the way. On
internal projects, my team ends up implementing workarounds for advanced
features.
I've recently started trying to convince my team to code the dialogs by
hand. In my mind, with a little planning up front, hand coding the
dialog could be relatively quick.
David
On 8/13/2015 2:41 PM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote:
On 8/13/2015 2:05 PM, jp charras wrote:
Le 13/08/2015 18:36, Eldar Khayrullin a écrit :
Hi all.
Maybe in future need to port kicad in other modern gui as qt(
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qt_(software) )
A bit overkilled for this issue (if this is an issue).
I am not especially thrilled by QT.
This is a very good tool, but it has its own issues.
Good luck to volunteers who will port 400 000 lines of code relative to GUI.
(80% of code of any application; Kicad has more than 500 000 lines of code)
We'll leave that decision to the next project manager. This project
manager is not interested porting KiCad to QT. This has been discussed
before.
13.08.2015 13:00, Blair Bonnett пишет:
Hi all,
It appears wxFormBuilder is, if not dead, not far from it. The evidence:
* No stable release in 4 years, and the last beta release was 13
months ago.
Although I agree with the fact wxFormBuilder is not actively maintained,
the last release was made the 17 June.
I share your concern about wxFormBuilder.
But replacing it is not easy.
To answer one of your questions, before using wxFormBuilder, I used
DialogBox (free version).
I'm reluctant to use proprietary tools for all of the usual reasons. I
would rather code dialogs by hand than use a proprietary tool.
It worked fine and was easy to use.
It is written and maintained by the creator of wxWidgets.
But the user code is embedded in automatically generated DialogBox.
I did not used recent versions, so it is perhaps now different.
One on the *best features* of wxFormBuilder is the fact it creates
"black box" files and all the user code is in other files.
You even do not need to read them.
Any other candidate should have this feature.
We need volunteers to test other candidates (in fact a very few candidates)
To be honest, I've never been a big fan of dialog box layout tools.
Their strength is there weakness. They promote designing quick dialog
box layouts that makes reuse difficult. Take a look at the padding and
overall layout in KiCad's dialogs. They are all over the map. I prefer
hand coding dialogs. It's painfully slow but encourages reuse (well
designed base dialog classes) and standardization (using wxSizerFlags).
I got shot down the last time I suggested this and I understand the
reasoning.
* A grand total of 13 commits in the last 12 months (current trunk is
r2205, r2192 was made on 1 August 2014). A number of these are
buildsystem / release / changelog (!) updates.
* No developer responses on the mailing list, including to a message
three months ago [1] asking if the project was still active.
* No support for newer widgets. For example, the wxSpinCtrlDouble
widget added in wxWidgets 2.9.0 is not supported. I patched it to add
this widget back in April and posted the patch to both the mailing
list and an existing ticket from three years ago [2]. No response to
that either.
We may have to start thinking about whether we continue with it from
here, or consider a move towards a different tool.
I realise any change like this isn't going to happen prior to the
stable release, and nor am I suggesting it should. But with the recent
post to this list about UI improvements, I think this is a highly
related topic which should be discussed as well.
There are a number of alternatives listed on the wxWidgets wiki [3].
Does anybody have any experience with any of them? (Spoiler alert, I
don't). Are there any thoughts on how to proceed from here?
Regards
Blair
[1] https://sourceforge.net/p/wxformbuilder/mailman/message/34100789/
[2] https://sourceforge.net/p/wxformbuilder/feature-requests/45/
[3]
https://wiki.wxwidgets.org/Tools#Rapid_Application_Development_.2F_GUI_Builders
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