I always try to build the package that everyone else is running, and no
I do not consult the build manual until i have to. That is also why I
have only tested the simulator that will now be inside v5.
Since we are in feature freeze, and the simulator will be part of kicad.
I think that the standard build should reflect the packaged kicad.
I do agree that a message that it can be disabled is ok though.
-Kristoffer
On 12/05/2017 05:30 PM, Maciej Sumiński wrote:
When you build a program, do you always go through its build manual or
do you start with 'cmake .. && make'? I think there is no point
enforcing an optional dependency. Another good solution would be to
autodetect libngspice and enable the simulator if it is available.
On 12/05/2017 05:18 PM, Nick Østergaard wrote:
Isn't it good enough to mention it under the KiCad Build Configuration
Options in the devdocs as it is already?
2017-12-05 16:56 GMT+01:00 Maciej Sumiński <maciej.sumin...@cern.ch>:
If everyone agrees that Spice simulator should be enabled by default,
then please display a note saying it is optional and might be disabled
for cases when it is not found by CMake.
Regards,
Orson
On 12/05/2017 03:47 PM, Nick Østergaard wrote:
If they are not available for some reason the packager for that platform
can disable the feature until he figures out how to support the feature.
I don't really see the rationale in having supported features be enabled
explicitly.
2017-12-05 15:33 GMT+01:00 Wayne Stambaugh <stambau...@gmail.com>:
Can we guarantee that these build dependencies are available on all
platforms? I'm primarily think of BSD devs. For the windows, macos,
and linux devs there are no issues.
On 12/5/2017 9:28 AM, Nick Østergaard wrote:
I would personally also like to see these options enabled by default.
It
makes it easier for a packager to be convinced what options to
enable...
:)
2017-12-05 15:05 GMT+01:00 Kristoffer Ödmark
<kristofferodmar...@gmail.com <mailto:kristofferodmar...@gmail.com>>:
I checked the default package in Ubuntu ppa through a friend.
Indeed
all of this is enabled.
Here I attach a small patch that changes the default compile-flags
to the ones in the released packages. Its a small fix and it doesnt
add or remove anything really, just a changes how a default build
for a novice will look, maybe it will reduce some initial confusion
for someone.
- Kristoffer
On 12/04/2017 10:19 PM, Nick Østergaard wrote:
Den 4. dec. 2017 18.50 <tel:2017%2018.50> skrev "kristoffer
Ödmark" <kristofferodmar...@gmail.com
<mailto:kristofferodmar...@gmail.com>
<mailto:kristofferodmar...@gmail.com
<mailto:kristofferodmar...@gmail.com>>>:
On 2017-12-04 15:22, Tomasz Wlostowski wrote:
Kristoffer,
You're very welcome to specify how you'd like to have
the
Spice-related
fields organized - but remember it's not only the
integrated ngspice
simulator that relies on them. People have been
exporting PSpice
netlists from Kicad for a while and AFAIR netlist
export
depends on
these particular fields.
Okay, My suggestions:
1. Enable the spice simulator by default and start shipping
it with
windows nightlies. This way we will find much more bugs.
Because I
doubt everyone is running with the simulator on even on
nightlies.
Same goes for the OCE and step stuff. This I see as a must
to get a
smoother v5 transition for most users, even those moving
from v4
stable to v5 stable without ever trying nightlies.
Everything should be enabled for the windows nightlies. It has
been when the OCE stuff and ngspice stuff was merged. If it not
it is a bug.
2. Parse the "value" field and reference in the simulator
to
get the
basic primitives. like Resistor and Capactiors, inductors
etc, based
on the first Letter in the Reference. We already have
name-dependent
functions for the differential-pair so having this here,
and
3. Move the Spice_Netlist_Enabled field to a new right-side
toggle
menu to select between "Spice and PCB, Spice Only, PCB
only", so one
can specify if the item should be added to both the PCB and
the
Spice netlist, or only one of them, by default I guess both
should
be enabled.
4. When the Spice_Model field is selected, the button "Edit
Spice
Model" should be shown under there, instead of always on
the
left
side. Just to be more like the other fields.
5. Add context-menu entries and toolbar buttons for the
simulator
interface.
This would make the simulator seem like its a part of kicad
and not
only a strange addon that is just hackishly attached to
kicad with
duct-tape. Dont get me wrong, Its an awesome feature, and
works well
it just looks like an outsider when using it currently.
As for the polishing up before the V5, there's several
tasks to do:
- update the pspice.lib library (it doesn't follow the
KLC) and make
sure all Spice devices are in there.
- fix quirks in the plot component (wxMathPlot).
- document and make a few example designs (I can help
with this
point).
Cheers,
Tom
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