I’m not a fan of tree controls for preferences, but there’s also the compromise 
of a list + tabs (a la QTCreator).

> On 21 Feb 2018, at 14:28, Jon Evans <j...@craftyjon.com> wrote:
> 
> Before you commit to that, I had wanted to make an argument in favor of tree 
> view preferences instead of tabs.
> I think we will quickly exceed a reasonable number of tabs in order to 
> accommodate having all the preferences in one place, especially given that we 
> will only have more and more features to bring us closer to feature parity 
> with more advanced ECAD software and those features will sometimes come with 
> their own preferences.
> 
> -Jon
> 
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 9:08 AM, Jeff Young <j...@rokeby.ie 
> <mailto:j...@rokeby.ie>> wrote:
> Yes, but not for 5.0.
> 
> See https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1748680 
> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1748680> (most of the Kicad menu items 
> will be app settings).
> 
> But this reminds me that I should probably add a task to tabularize pcbnew’s 
> preferences like we did with eeschema.
> 
> Cheers,
> Jeff.
> 
> 
>> On 21 Feb 2018, at 13:07, Bernhard Stegmaier <stegma...@sw-systems.de 
>> <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Just to mention… it has been like this before the patches.
>> At least on macOS, there is still a “Preferences” menu entry below the 
>> “KiCad” menu bar entry (the “General Settings” dialog).
>> Then, there is the “Preferences” menu… without those “General Setting”.
>> 
>> Because there is a “Preferences” menu bar entry I didn’t look anywhere else 
>> for the general settings.
>> Took me quite a while to find them in the “KiCad” menu bar entry.
>> 
>> Any plans to change this?
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Bernhard
>> 
>>> On 20. Feb 2018, at 08:17, Nick Østergaard <oe.n...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:oe.n...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Michael and Jeff,
>>> 
>>> It seems like we got our first small regression from this patch series. 
>>> Could you have a look. Please note it looks like it is window manager 
>>> dependent.
>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1750494 
>>> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1750494>
>>> 
>>> Nick
>>> 
>>> 2018-02-18 23:03 GMT+01:00 Wayne Stambaugh <stambau...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>>:
>>> Indeed I did forget.  Thanks for the reminder.  Thank you Jeff for the 
>>> patches.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 02/18/2018 03:02 PM, Michael Kavanagh wrote:
>>> Thanks Wayne. Please don't forget to merge Jeffs dialog changes which
>>> complete the Pcbnew menubar modifications. I have reattached them to
>>> this email for convenience.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Michael
>>> 
>>> On 18 February 2018 at 19:16, Wayne Stambaugh <stambau...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> Michael,
>>> 
>>> I figured out why we are not using IS_ACCELERATOR for these menu entries.
>>> AddHotkeyName() adds a "+Alt+" to the hotkey so this is *not* what we want
>>> so I used the original 0003 patch.  I apologize for the confusion.  I merged
>>> this and you 0004 patch.  We can make any tweaks to it if it's not exactly
>>> what we want.  Thank you for your contribution to KiCad.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Wayne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 02/18/2018 10:10 AM, Michael Kavanagh wrote:
>>> 
>>> In every other app New, Open, Save, Save As and Print are standard
>>> hotkeys and not accelerators. They don't have the modifier key, so are
>>> the "standard" keyboard shortcuts.
>>> 
>>> Nevertheless, please find attached new patches for review. These
>>> accompany both of Jeffs dialog patches. Hopefully I didn't break
>>> anything, implementing the sketch modes removed from the dialogs
>>> involved fiddling with the GAL tools framework.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Michael
>>> 
>>> On 17 February 2018 at 17:27, Wayne Stambaugh <stambau...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It should be.  We really need to get out of the bad habit of having
>>> toolbar only access to tools and settings.  I'm sure there are some in
>>> the schematic editor, symbol editor, and footprint editor as well.
>>> 
>>> On 02/17/2018 06:16 AM, Jeff Young wrote:
>>> 
>>> The Fill/Outline stuff is included.  Not sure about High Contrast mode,
>>> but it probably should be.
>>> 
>>> On 17 Feb 2018, at 06:58, Gaurav Juvekar <gauravjuve...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:gauravjuve...@gmail.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Probably not too relevant, but can we have a workaround of
>>> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1575097 
>>> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1575097> (hidden icons) by adding
>>> View -> High Contrast (Checkable like the "Flip board view")
>>> View -> Tracks -> Outline (Radio button like the canvas selector)
>>>                 -> Fill
>>> View -> Vias   -> Outline
>>>                 -> Fill
>>> View -> Pads   -> Outline
>>>                 -> Fill
>>> 
>>> to the menu entries?
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>> Gaurav Juvekar
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