The problem with this branching method is that virtually no one else but the developer who is working in a feature branch actually tests the code in the feature branch. If you are lucky, one other person developer will test it. That is why I don't really like this model. Our development branch gets a high amount of user testing since it's readily available in nightly builds. This results in bugs being fixed quickly and helps keep the development branch reasonably stable.
On 3/5/2018 10:23 AM, Jon Evans wrote: > I think you're describing something similar to > this: http://nvie.com/posts/a-successful-git-branching-model/ > which I think can work pretty well. It does require more > work/dedication than the model KiCad uses today. > > On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 10:19 AM, José Ignacio <jose.cyb...@gmail.com > <mailto:jose.cyb...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Once the point release is done, no more bugfix releases are > necessary on the previous one, that should reduce the effort of > backporting fixes to a codebase that was branched way back. As it is > right now, fixing a bug that affects both stable and dev 1 year in > the future would mean writing a patch for 2 pretty different looking > codebases (and the bug might not even exist in dev because the code > was rewritten), so either the effort is (almost) duplicated or the > bug goes unfixed. > > One way this could work is to, instead of keeping a stale branch > with the stable release where fixes need to be > backported/cherry-picked to, just keep big destabilizing changes > away from Master. And make all stable releases be just a tag in > Master, with a x.x-bugfix branch existing only if a bug fix had to > be backported before the next point release was ready, big features > that can leave kicad unstable or incompatible can go into a staging > branch that gets pulled into master when the next point release > merge window opens. Those disruptions almost never happened during > 5.0 development, most of the time devs have been exceptionally good > at keeping kicad stable and compatible throughout the dev process, > except where it couldn't be avoided (like the big sym-lib-table change). > > On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 8:52 AM, Wayne Stambaugh > <stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > There is no formal process. It's primarily based on discussion > on the > mailing list and me making the final decisions. The road maps > live in > the kicad source repo in the /Documentation/development/ > folder. They > definitely need updated. I just haven't gotten around to > updating them. > I was going to do that sometime after the v5 release. > > As for a v5.1, we have not done point releases in the past due > to lack > of manpower. I have done most of the stable branch maintenance > and it's > more work than you would think and I just don't have the time to add > point releases to my list of responsibilities. If someone > proposes a > reasonable way to do this without tying up a lot of developer > time then > I'm not opposed to it. Please keep in mind the long term > ramifications > of potentially maintaining multiple stable branches when developers > leave the project. If we could always depend on a given level of > developer time, this probably wouldn't be that big of an issue > but we > cannot depend on any guaranteed level of manpower. Maybe in the > future > that is a luxury we will have. > > Wayne > > On 3/5/2018 9:36 AM, Jon Evans wrote: > > Do we have a process or workflow for proposing changes to the > roadmap? > > A number of the things from the V5 roadmap didn't happen, so it > might > > make sense to move some things around to V6 (and possibly a V5.1) > roadmaps > > > > -Jon > > > > On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 9:12 AM, Wayne Stambaugh > <stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>>> wrote: > > > > Jon, > > > > The v6 road map is here: > > > > http://docs.kicad-pcb.org/doxygen/v6_road_map.html > <http://docs.kicad-pcb.org/doxygen/v6_road_map.html> > > <http://docs.kicad-pcb.org/doxygen/v6_road_map.html > <http://docs.kicad-pcb.org/doxygen/v6_road_map.html>> > > > > I was planning on working on the schematic object but I > wouldn't be > > offended if you want to implement it. If you do decide to work > on this, > > please keep me in the loop. I have some things that I > definitely want > > implemented as part of this object most of which you have > probably > > already run into with your connectivity work. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Wayne > > > > > > On 3/4/2018 3:07 PM, Jon Evans wrote: > > > We should probably make some kind of road map if it doesn't > exist > > > already, concerning the path to GAL for eeschema and who will > be doing > > > what. For example, it might make sense to do the SCHEMATIC > class > > > refactoring you were talking about before or in parallel with > parts of > > > the porting effort. > > > > > > I'm up for working on this too, as soon as my connectivity / > bus stuff > > > has landed. > > > > > > -Jon > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 4, 2018, 14:46 Wayne Stambaugh > <stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com> > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>> > > > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com> > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>>>> wrote: > > > > > > I agree. If it's not an easy straight forward fix, I > would prefer to > > > spend our precious manpower resources on the GAL port as > well. I don't > > > know when in the v6 cycle any of this will happen but I'm > guessing it > > > will happen fairly early. Tom or Orson, do either of you > have any idea > > > when this will happen? > > > > > > Wayne > > > > > > On 03/04/2018 02:40 PM, Jon Evans wrote: > > > > FWIW, I don't find the existing performance to be > unusable, it's just > > > > not up to the standards of PcbNew/GAL. I don't think > it's worth any > > > > effort beyond easy fixes, we should put that energy > into the GAL > > > port. > > > > > > > > -Jon > > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 4, 2018, 14:34 Bernhard Stegmaier > > > <stegma...@sw-systems.de <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de> > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de>> > > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de> > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de>>> > > > > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de> > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de>> > > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de> > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de>>>>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I would judge it wrt eeschema GAL conversion. > > > > If that starts with v6, I don’t know if it is worth > the effort. > > > > If it is unsure when this will happen, it might be > worth it. > > > > > > > > > > > >> On 4. Mar 2018, at 20:30, Wayne Stambaugh > > > <stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com> > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>> > > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com> > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>>> > > > >> <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com> > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>> > > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com> > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>>>>> > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Ughh! I don't have a good answer for this > one. My > > best guess is > > > >> to fix > > > >> the wx macos code first and see what > performance issues are > > > left. The > > > >> problem with messing with any of this is that > if you break > > > >> something it > > > >> will break all of the legacy canvas rendering > not just the > > > schematic > > > >> editor. I would move extremely carefully > here. I > > would prefer > > > >> that we > > > >> don't go too crazy this late in the v5 > release cycle. > > If the > > > >> performance is truly not usable on macos, > then we may > > have no > > > choice. > > > >> > > > >> On 03/04/2018 02:07 PM, Jeff Young wrote: > > > >>> It turns out the fonts aren’t really the > problem. > > > >>> > > > >>> It starts with this gem in wxWidgets: > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > > > > voidwxWidgetCocoaImpl::ScrollRect(constwxRect*rect,intdx,intdy) > > > >>> > > > >>> { > > > >>> > > > >>> #if1 > > > >>> > > > >>> SetNeedsDisplay(); > > > >>> > > > >>> #else > > > >>> > > > >>> > //Weshoulddosomethinglikethis,butitwasn'tworkingin10.4. > > > >>> > > > >>> if(GetNeedsDisplay()) > > > >>> > > > >>> { > > > >>> > > > >>> SetNeedsDisplay() ; > > > >>> > > > >>> } > > > >>> > > > >>> > NSRectr=wxToNSRect([m_osxViewsuperview],*rect); > > > >>> > > > >>> NSSizeoffset=NSMakeSize((float)dx,(float)dy); > > > >>> > > > >>> [m_osxViewscrollRect:rby:offset]; > > > >>> > > > >>> #endif > > > >>> > > > >>> } > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> SetNeedsDisplay() with no rectangle argument > > invalidates the > > > >>> entire window. > > > >>> > > > >>> Even if you fix that (to scroll most of the > window and > > only > > > >>> invalidate > > > >>> the newly-exposed parts), you run into this: > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > voidwxWidgetCocoaImpl::drawRect(void*rect,WXWidgetslf,void*WXUNUSED(_cmd)) > > > >>> > > > >>> { > > > >>> > > > >>> //preparingtheupdateregion > > > >>> > > > >>> wxRegionupdateRgn; > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > //sinceaddingmanyrectstoaregionisacostlyprocess,bydefaultusetheboundingrect > > > >>> > > > >>> #if0 > > > >>> > > > >>> constNSRect*rects; > > > >>> > > > >>> NSIntegercount; > > > >>> > > > >>> [slfgetRectsBeingDrawn:&rectscount:&count]; > > > >>> > > > >>> for(inti=0;i<count;++i) > > > >>> > > > >>> { > > > >>> > > > >>> updateRgn.Union(wxFromNSRect(slf,rects[i])); > > > >>> > > > >>> } > > > >>> > > > >>> #else > > > >>> > > > >>> > updateRgn.Union(wxFromNSRect(slf,*(NSRect*)rect)); > > > >>> > > > >>> #endif > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> …which will /also/ cause the whole window to be > > repainted if > > > there’s > > > >>> both an invalidated horizontal strip and a > vertical one. > > > >>> > > > >>> And the latter turns out to be pretty much > guaranteed > > by this > > > >>> one, which > > > >>> batches repaints: > > > >>> > > > >>> voidwxNonOwnedWindow::Update() > > > >>> > > > >>> { > > > >>> > > > >>> if(clock()-s_lastFlush>CLOCKS_PER_SEC/30) > > > >>> > > > >>> { > > > >>> > > > >>> s_lastFlush=clock(); > > > >>> > > > >>> m_nowpeer->Update(); > > > >>> > > > >>> } > > > >>> > > > >>> } > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> But even Kicad isn’t blameless. Once you > fix all > > those there’s > > > >>> still no > > > >>> checking in SCH_SCREEN::Draw() to see if the > > individual draw > > > items > > > >>> intersect the update region. (Sure, the > actually > > drawing is > > > >>> clipped in > > > >>> the end, but you still go through a /lot/ of > code to > > get there.) > > > >>> > > > >>> All of these are fixable, and we’ve already > crossed the > > > Rubicon of > > > >>> having our own OSX wxWidgets branch. > > > >>> > > > >>> But it’s still a reasonable amount of work, > with a > > > non-trivial risk > > > >>> profile. Should I continue? > > > >>> > > > >>> Cheers, > > > >>> Jeff. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>> On 4 Mar 2018, at 01:30, Bernhard Stegmaier > > > >>>> <stegma...@sw-systems.de > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de> > > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de>> > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de> > > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de>>> > > > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de> > > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de>> > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de> > > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de>>>> > > > >>>> <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de> > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de>> > > > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de> > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> No. > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> On 4. Mar 2018, at 01:51, Andrey Kuznetsov > > > <kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>> > > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>>> > > > >>>>> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>> > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>>>> > > > >>>>> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>> > > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>>>>> > > > wrote: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Would it be an easy fix to change the text/font > such that it > > > >>>>> does not > > > >>>>> affect performance so significantly on MacOS? > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 5:20 AM, Wayne Stambaugh > > > >>>>> <stambau...@gmail.com > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com> > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>> > > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com> > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>>> > > > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com> > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>> > > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com> > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>>>> > > > >>>>> <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>> > > > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com> <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>>>>> > > wrote: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> On 03/03/2018 07:33 AM, Jeff Young wrote: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Hi Andrey, > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> I did some profiling and I’d guess > that the > > > difference in > > > >>>>> eeschema and pcbnew-legacy > performance is > > down to there > > > >>>>> being > > > >>>>> more text in the schema. Since we > use a > > stroke font, > > > >>>>> there’s > > > >>>>> a lot of stroke segments in each > letter. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> @Devs, > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> I understand why we use a stroke > font on the > > PCB, but > > > >>>>> there’s > > > >>>>> not much reason in eeschema, is there? > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> This is possibly one of the things that > I plan on > > > changing after > > > >>>>> the new schematic file format is > written. The > > new file > > > format > > > >>>>> will support font definitions so > replacing the stroke > > > font in > > > >>>>> Eeschema should be doable. Whether or > not I have time > > > to make > > > >>>>> this change remains to be seen. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Wayne > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Cheers, > > > >>>>> Jeff. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> On 3 Mar 2018, at 08:18, Andrey > Kuznetsov > > > >>>>> <kandre...@gmail.com > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>> > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>>> > > > >>>>> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>> > > > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>>>> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>> > > > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>>>> > > > >>>>> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>> > > > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>>> > > > >>>>> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>> > > > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>>>>>> > > wrote: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> The motherboard project is not very > > complex, I > > > would say > > > >>>>> that performance should be > tolerable UP > > to that > > > size > > > >>>>> complexity, if we set the bar > any lower, > > > usability will > > > >>>>> suffer and people won't like KiCad > > because it's > > > sluggish > > > >>>>> and interface lag is the worst > kind of lag. > > > >>>>> My project isn't finished and > Chris' > > project is > > > >>>>> available > > > >>>>> now, is just the right > complexity and has > > layout > > > >>>>> that can > > > >>>>> be used for testing as well as > a schematic. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> *LG 5K 27" display running > 3200x1800 (the > > highest > > > >>>>> resolution without making text > blurry, using > > > this for > > > >>>>> work every day, so it's > extravagant, it's > > > practical)* > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> *Actions:* pan with middle > mouse, zoom > > back and > > > forth. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> *eeschema:* > > > >>>>> Low Res - at least 2 times > slower than > > would be > > > >>>>> considered normal, I would have > to guess > > ~400ms lag > > > >>>>> Normal - 4-5x slower compared > to low res mode > > > >>>>> ~1700ms lag > > > >>>>> Even in low res mode, and > removing 75% of the > > > items from > > > >>>>> Chris' schematic, the lag is still > > ~200-300ms, > > > that's > > > >>>>> just not right. Additionally, I > filed > > > >>>>> > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054 > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054> > > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054 > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054>> > > > >>>>> > > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054 > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054> > > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054 > <https://bugs.launchpad.net/kicad/+bug/1753054>>> > > > because > > > >>>>> the mouse zoom is screwed up in > eeschema, > > > coupled with > > > >>>>> the lag, it's unusable. Maybe > the pan lag is > > > related to > > > >>>>> the zoom, maybe there are > multiple steps > > being > > > rendered > > > >>>>> when it should just jump to > where the mouse > > > ended up at, > > > >>>>> I don't know. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> *pcbnew - **Normal Resolution:* > > > >>>>> Accelerated: No-AA, <50ms > > > >>>>> Fallback: 500-1000ms for panning, > > 300-600ms for > > > zoom > > > >>>>> Legacy: 1300-1700ms for > panning, 600ms > > for zoom > > > >>>>> Low Res mode: did not notice speed > > increase, except > > > >>>>> maybe > > > >>>>> Fallback was ~400ms faster. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> I'm not saying halt the horses, > certain > > modes are > > > >>>>> obviously limited, ie Legacy > and Fallback by > > > the nature > > > >>>>> of the task presented, but > eeschema is barely > > > displaying > > > >>>>> 10% of the content pcbnew is > but lagging so > > > much worse! > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Just thought I'd include > rendering of the > > > Accelerated > > > >>>>> Graphics (top to bottom: > Supersampling 4x, > > > Subpixel AA > > > >>>>> (Ultra Quality), No AA) > > > >>>>> All 3 modes are responsive, > probably > > <50-100ms > > > lag, I'd > > > >>>>> consider this performance > great, considering > > > the amount > > > >>>>> of elements on screen. > > > >>>>> <image.png> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> How long should it take to > delete this many > > > selected > > > >>>>> elements in pcbnew? > > > >>>>> Answer: about 50x too long! I > think it > > was like > > > 3mins, > > > >>>>> perhaps ESC key should be > available to press > > > anytime to > > > >>>>> undo the delete action and > restore to > > > pre-delete screen > > > >>>>> when accidental actions are > triggered > > that take > > > forever > > > >>>>> to complete? > > > >>>>> <image.png> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 9:53 AM, > Bernhard > > Stegmaier > > > >>>>> <stegma...@sw-systems.de > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de> > > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de>> > > > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de> <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de>>> > > > >>>>> <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de> > > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de>> > > > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de> > > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de>>>> <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de> > > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de>> > > > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de> <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de>>>> > > > >>>>> <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de> > > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de>> > > > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de> <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de>>> > > > >>>>> <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de> > > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de>> > > > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de> > > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de > <mailto:stegma...@sw-systems.de>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Hi, > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> to be honest, I don’t > really know > > what this is > > > >>>>> about. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> @Andrey: > > > >>>>> You looked for a very complex > > (foreign) project > > > >>>>> (Chris mainboard?) > > > >>>>> to prove that eeschema is > slow on Mac? > > > >>>>> Well, we know that and we > told you > > already some > > > >>>>> weeks/months ago > > > >>>>> why it is like it is (if > memory serves me > > > right). > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Or, do you have an own > project that is so > > > >>>>> ridiculously slow, that > > > >>>>> you can’t work with it? > > > >>>>> If so, please provide it so > that we can > > > analyse why > > > >>>>> this specific > > > >>>>> project behaves like that. > > > >>>>> If you can’t or don’t want > to provide > > it we > > > could > > > >>>>> tell you how to > > > >>>>> do some performance > measurements so > > that we > > > >>>>> might see > > > >>>>> something. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Obviously, there are a > number of Mac > > users > > > here and > > > >>>>> also over at > > > >>>>> the KiCad forum who might > also be > > happy to get > > > >>>>> some more > > > >>>>> performance here and there, > but who > > are in > > > general > > > >>>>> reasonably able > > > >>>>> to work on their projects > (including > > > myself, on a > > > >>>>> 2012 Retina > > > >>>>> MacBook with only an i5). > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Regards, > > > >>>>> Bernhard > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > On 2. Mar 2018, at 17:59, > Andy Peters > > > >>>>> <de...@latke.net > <mailto:de...@latke.net> <mailto:de...@latke.net > <mailto:de...@latke.net>> > > <mailto:de...@latke.net <mailto:de...@latke.net> > <mailto:de...@latke.net <mailto:de...@latke.net>>> > > > >>>>> <mailto:de...@latke.net > <mailto:de...@latke.net> <mailto:de...@latke.net > <mailto:de...@latke.net>> > > > <mailto:de...@latke.net <mailto:de...@latke.net> > > <mailto:de...@latke.net > <mailto:de...@latke.net>>>> <mailto:de...@latke.net > <mailto:de...@latke.net> > > <mailto:de...@latke.net <mailto:de...@latke.net>> > > > <mailto:de...@latke.net <mailto:de...@latke.net> > <mailto:de...@latke.net <mailto:de...@latke.net>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> <mailto:de...@latke.net > <mailto:de...@latke.net> <mailto:de...@latke.net > <mailto:de...@latke.net>> > > > <mailto:de...@latke.net <mailto:de...@latke.net> > > <mailto:de...@latke.net > <mailto:de...@latke.net>>> <mailto:de...@latke.net > <mailto:de...@latke.net> > > <mailto:de...@latke.net <mailto:de...@latke.net>> > > > <mailto:de...@latke.net <mailto:de...@latke.net> > <mailto:de...@latke.net <mailto:de...@latke.net>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> >> On Mar 1, 2018, at 8:53 > PM, Seth > > Hillbrand > > > >>>>> <seth.hillbr...@gmail.com > <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com > <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com>> > > > <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com > <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com > <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com>>> > > > >>>>> <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com > <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com > <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com>> > > > <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com > <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com > <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com>>>> > > > >>>>> > <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com > <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com > <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com>> > > > <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com > <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com > <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com>>>> > > > >>>>> > <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com > <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com > <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com>> > > > <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com > <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com > <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com>>> > > > >>>>> > <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com > <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com > <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com>> > > > <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com > <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com > <mailto:seth.hillbr...@gmail.com>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>> >> > > > >>>>> >> Andrey- > > > >>>>> >> > > > >>>>> >> I'm moving this to a new > thread so > > that > > > we don't > > > >>>>> conflate the > > > >>>>> OpenMP discussion with this. > > > >>>>> >> > > > >>>>> >> Can you test running > Kicad with the > > > "Open in Low > > > >>>>> Resolution" > > > >>>>> mode enabled? You can > activate this by > > > choosing > > > >>>>> "Get > > > >>>>> Info" on the > > > >>>>> main KiCad application and > checking the > > > option that > > > >>>>> says "Open in > > > >>>>> Low Resolution". You may > need to do > > the same > > > >>>>> for the > > > >>>>> other > > > >>>>> applications (Eeschema, > pcbnew, etc) > > as well. > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > testing on my 2017” > touch-bar MBP … > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > Good g-d, low-res mode > looks fuzzy > > and weird! > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > I don’t notice any specific > > differences in > > > >>>>> EESchema > > > >>>>> performance. > > > >>>>> Maybe my schematic isn’t > busy enough? > > I’m a > > > fan of > > > >>>>> using more > > > >>>>> smaller sheets with less > info on each > > than > > > one big > > > >>>>> sheet with > > > >>>>> everything. > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > I know, anecdote is not > evidence. > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > -a > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> >> > > > >>>>> >> -Seth > > > >>>>> >> > > > >>>>> >> 2018-03-01 18:09 > GMT-08:00 Andrey > > > Kuznetsov > > > >>>>> <kandre...@gmail.com > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>> > > > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>>> > > > >>>>> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>> > > > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>>>> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>> > > > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>>>> > > > >>>>> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>> > > > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>>> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> > > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>> > > > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com> <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com > <mailto:kandre...@gmail.com>>>>>>: > > > >>>>> >> Hi, > > > >>>>> >> > > > >>>>> >> So for now I've had a > chance to > > test the > > > >>>>> motherboard project on > > > >>>>> my Retina macbook display. > > > >>>>> >> eeschema: horrible zoom, > feels like > > > elastic band > > > >>>>> zoom and I > > > >>>>> have all scroll wheel > accelerations > > and similar > > > >>>>> disabled, zoom > > > >>>>> response is super laggy, > cannot work like > > > this, will > > > >>>>> need to make > > > >>>>> schematics on windows. > > > >>>>> >> pcbnew by order of slowness: > > > >>>>> >> legacy - pretty slow, > zoom lag is > > major, > > > boo boo > > > >>>>> >> modern (fallback) - > decent, but > > the lag > > > can be > > > >>>>> felt, zoom lag > > > >>>>> is minor > > > >>>>> >> modern (accelerated) - > almost cannot > > > feel the > > > >>>>> lag, > > > >>>>> very nice, > > > >>>>> nice zoom responsiveness > > > >>>>> >> > > > >>>>> >> I'll report tomorrow on > 5K LG display. > > > >>>>> >> > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > >>>>> > Mailing list: > > > >>>>> > https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>> > > > >>>>> > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>>> > > > >>>>> > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers>> > > > >>>>> > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> > > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > 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