I would be fine with permanently enabling the ngspice integration. It has historically not been that complicated to support, I mean build wise, and I don't think it makes a lot of difference for rebuilds, which is where it could be nice to disable some things, like scripting sometimes.
Speaking from experience on windows, linux and mac. At least I don't remember any issues with it on newer releases of ngspice, and if a problem crops of for some reason I am sure we can workaround it and Holger is very responsive on requests from us. On Fri, 19 Mar 2021 at 04:14, Jon Evans <j...@craftyjon.com> wrote: > I agree with Seth. The longer a feature is part of KiCad, the more people > will refer to it in forum posts, tutorials, etc. This feature has now > existed for plenty long enough for people to expect it. If there are no > packaging reasons to do otherwise, I support it being included in all > builds. > > -Jon > > On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 10:49 PM Seth Hillbrand <s...@kipro-pcb.com> > wrote: > >> I agree that this is one area where we can improve the user experience. >> >> By first-class, I mean only that it is an integral part of KiCad that we >> develop and support. We are no longer in the testing phase where it would >> make sense to have a conditional compilation. >> >> -Seth >> >> On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 4:51 PM Mark Roszko <mark.ros...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> You say it's first class but the spice gui needs alot of loving. The >>> tool framework is also ducktaped poorly into it. >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 7:14 PM Seth Hillbrand <s...@kipro-pcb.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Do we still need spice as a build option? It would be nice to bring >>>> down the number of permutations out there and the SPICE simulator is really >>>> a first-class KiCad citizen nowadays. >>>> >>>> -S >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 4:04 PM Jon Evans <j...@craftyjon.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Saving in the project file is fine, I just mean if you split out >>>>> NGSPICE_SIMULATOR_SETTINGS to a different file (not sim/ngspice.h) with no >>>>> dependencies on ngspice itself, the settings class can be built without >>>>> ngspice. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 6:57 PM Wayne Stambaugh <stambau...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I thought about that but in what context does a simulation make sense >>>>>> out side of a schematic or a netlist generated from a schematic? I >>>>>> saved the ngspice simulator settings in the project file because that >>>>>> is >>>>>> the proper scope of the setting. I really don't see a more logical >>>>>> place to save the setting. I suppose I could split out the simulator >>>>>> settings code but it would be awkward at best. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 3/18/21 6:42 PM, Jon Evans wrote: >>>>>> > Wayne, I haven't checked this code carefully but I'd recommend >>>>>> building >>>>>> > the settings always, and moving the #ifdef to a different level >>>>>> (i.e. >>>>>> > make the settings not depend on ngspice) >>>>>> > >>>>>> > That way if the same settings files are shared between a build with >>>>>> > ngspice and a build without, they won't get thrown away. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Thu, Mar 18, 2021 at 6:37 PM Wayne Stambaugh < >>>>>> stambau...@gmail.com >>>>>> > <mailto:stambau...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > My bad. I forgot the simulator was a build option so I will >>>>>> have to >>>>>> > #ifdef the offending settings code. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > - Wayne >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On 3/18/21 6:02 PM, Eeli Kaikkonen wrote: >>>>>> > > I have disabled ngspice in cmake settings but in a recent >>>>>> commit by >>>>>> > > Wayne #include <sim/ngspice.h>, which in turn includes >>>>>> > > ngspice/sharedspice.h, was added to schematic.cpp which makes >>>>>> > > compilation fail apparently because I don't have ngspice at >>>>>> all. >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > Eeli Kaikkonen >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > _______________________________________________ >>>>>> > > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>>> > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> >>>>>> > > Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net >>>>>> > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net> >>>>>> > > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>>> > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> >>>>>> > > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>>> > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>> > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>>> > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> >>>>>> > Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net >>>>>> > <mailto:kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net> >>>>>> > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>>> > <https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers> >>>>>> > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>>> > <https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp> >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>> Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net >>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> [image: KiCad Services Corporation Logo] >>>> Seth Hillbrand >>>> *Lead Developer* >>>> +1-530-302-5483 >>>> Long Beach, CA >>>> www.kipro-pcb.com i...@kipro-pcb.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>> Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net >>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers >>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mark >>> >> >> >> -- >> [image: KiCad Services Corporation Logo] >> Seth Hillbrand >> *Lead Developer* >> +1-530-302-5483 >> Long Beach, CA >> www.kipro-pcb.com i...@kipro-pcb.com >> > _______________________________________________ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > Post to : kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~kicad-developers > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >
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