> > >Except these are people we've captured shooting at our soldiers in
> > >faraway deserts.
> >
> > Or so they say. Of course, with no trial we have no proof that they
>were
> > actually attacking US soldiers.
>
>We certainly have no proof that they weren't, either! And in the
>absence of absolute proof, I'm going to tend to believe our guys instead
>of them.
>
Great! We have no proof your wife/sister/other isn't either. We'll torture
her for information next, how's that? If she's innocent, she'll have no
information and nothing to hide.
Yeah....but that's just rediculous. We're not talking about our mom or
sister. If we adopt that line of reasoning, let's just say I don't
believe anything anyone says, and you can't actually prove you exist
for that matter. Existensial like that *SEEM* to be covering for lack
of facts.....but I can't PROVE it......
Innocent until *proven* guilty. If you want to hold them for an extended
period, either you have *proof* of their guilt and can prove it at trial, or
you let them go.
Again there's that proof thing....let's say the Geneva Convetion
doesn't apply unless they can prove it in a court of law. Shoulda told
president Bush that one. If I can use your line of reasoning to come
up with the opposite answer, than by that good ol' proof some of us
may have learned in college, you've started with a false premise and
come up with nothing. Or more simply the one we may have learned in
high school....Garbage in Garbae out.
>Most, if not all, were captured in combat. The Geneva Convention (to
>which Al Quaeda is not a signatory) protects uniformed combatants
>engaged in lawfully declared war.
AH yes, because everyone we're at war with is a member of a terrorist
organization. Now back in reality, we're at war with a number of
nationalist armies, no different than our own militia in the Revolutionary
war.
Well you can't have it both ways. It's either the government or it's
not. Where's your PROOF for that statment....I see no supporting
facts. You seem a little viscious here, solely based on
opinions....like a gambler who'd rather say the game was fixed then
admit they were wrong.
Remember the revolutionary war? Back in those days despite everything
else, Eurpoeans had fighting convetions in war too.....the colonies
didn't abide by them, whupped up on the brits, and won. If we had
attacked britain on their soil, I don't think the conventions would
have been held up. There's rules for a reason, and the Geneva
convention applies to just that. We fought the dirty war too once, but
the fact that these people wear no uniform, listen to no goverment,
and see fit to impose their will on others arbitrarily isn't just true
in my opinion, it's a fact. Got any of those?
Again, note that "our" revolutionary army never attacked anyone else.
>Those creeps in Gitmo are lucky to
>still be separating oxygen from the atmosphere... throughout the vast
>majority of military history, illegal combatants were killed
>out-of-hand.
>
Please tell me you're trolling. Its not possible for a human actually to be
this fucking stupid, is it?
Did you notice that every one of your points simply disagreed without
saying anything substantive the whole time? Are you really looking for
a discussion here, or did you just want to get dirty and insult
someone:
this fucking stupid, is it?
Can you give me an example of a civilization before 1900 that had a
problem with torture? Correct me if I'm wrong but that was a common
place and accepted way to not only interrogate people, but to just
plain make them suffer. Seems like a little hard work and suffering
might put things in perspective, but I don't see anyone volunterring
to leave the land of the free for somewhere "better."
I could hang out and argue why subjectively things aren't perfect
based on existensial facts all day without getting anywhere......but I
won't. I'll probably leave my dirty personal opinion out of it as
well. What happened to the pirate bay I was so interested in, which
seems to have devolved into petty quibbling?
-T
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