Bob La Quey wrote:
On Nov 25, 2007 9:54 PM, Randall Shimizu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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From: Paul G. Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 8:12:31 PM
Subject: Re: China has the largest (DoS) Denial of service capability....!



Andrew Lentvorski wrote:

Compared to the zillions of zombified Windows machines, I doubt China is
that impressive.
Maybe China is counting on all those Windows machines.

Only an idiot would not. I do not think the Chinese are idiots.

In addition, all of China's traffic gets throttled through a small
number of optic links, IIRC.

Simply pulling the plug on those links stops anything China wants to
 do.

Easier said than done. Not to mention, once an attack has started,
pulling the plug after the fact could do nothing to solve stop it See
below.)

Yep. The corollary is that China's widely heralded firewall is leaky
as hell. All those factory managers and the colonels that "controll"
them in South China want ther porn. They have a gazillion ways to get
net from the world. I do not expect the Chinese firewall to work any
better than the Great Wall did. See

Far from it being unbreachable, Chinese emperors relied on the wall
only as a last resort to fend off their enemies. (The Ming dynasty,
for instance, found it useless against the victorious Manchus, who
merely bribed the gatekeepers to let them in.)
http://www.amazon.com/Great-Wall-China-Against-World/dp/0802118143

When one has Sex versus Facism I will bet on Sex. And bribery, its
constant companion.

This is not true for the zombies that already exist in our own
 country.

How many of those zombies are (or can be) controlled by the Chinese?
How would we know one way or another? What would it take for the
Chinese to set the zombies off?

Yes, China has cyber-warfare as one of its goals--*as does our
 military*.

China's military is probably ahead, but it's hard to tell how their hacking 
skills compare with the skills that exist in the US today. I can certainly see 
however that a organized force could be more effective.
China is a lot farther along than we are.

Would you care to support that statement? Even a few
factual references of almost any kind would be appreciated.

I do _not_ consider PGA's assertions facts.


I meant to say "I think China is a lot farther along than we are."

PGA
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Paul G. Allen, BSIT/SE
Owner, Sr. Engineer
Random Logic Consulting Services
www.randomlogic.com


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