> Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 09:33:40 -0700> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 
> [email protected]> Subject: Re: Programming challenge> > Gabriel 
> Sechan wrote:> > While I firmly believe in seeing an applicant program, the 
> problem with doing it ahead of time is that they'll find answers on the web, 
> or get help from others.  Otherwise this isn't too different from things I've 
> asked people to whiteboard program.> > Funny, that's exactly what I do when 
> doing actual programming on the job > when I get stuck on something!> > The 
> applicant can be expected to have to explain their code in detail. > If they 
> don't understand it they obviously copied or got help which they > were not 
> worthy of and don't get hired.> > Whiteboard programming sucks. I much prefer 
> this approach.> I'm completely the other way.  Whiteboard programming is 
> necessary.  Yes, on the job looking up answers on the web, from friends, from 
> coworkers, etc is completely acceptable.  But the point of a job interview 
> isn't to tell if you can ask for help.  Its to tell if you can think, and if 
> you know how to program.  Doing it in person tells you that.  A mail in-  I'd 
> give odds that most submissions were done by someone else,  its pretty much 
> useless.  I wouldn't hire someone without seeing him code in person, and if I 
> was the job seeker I'd be *very* leery of taking a job where I was asked to 
> program ahead of time and not in the interview-  I'd expect the majority of 
> my coworkers would have had someone else take the test.BTW-  I have had 
> people I know ask me to do questions like this for them, on multiple 
> occasions.  Once or twice I've even owed a favor and done it.  So I'm not 
> just talking out of my ass when I say most will fake it.Gabe
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