On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Andrew Lentvorski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Martin Franco wrote:
>
>> A key attribute of the state is that its decisions are backed with
>> threat of violence.  Are humans so bad that they cannot have
>> organization without doing so at gun-point?
>
> Humans are indeed so bad that they cannot have organization without threat.
>
> History has proven this.  Personal experience has proven this.
>
> Now, those threats may not be a *gun*.  However, they have no less force.
>
> In fact, I woudl argue that many of the ills we currently face as a society
> are the result of the fact that the "capitalist barons" are completely
> disconnected from consequences for their actions.

I agree. Back to risk being inequitably distributed. The poor are
at far greater risk generally than the rich.

This is a space though where it is easier to see the problems
than the solutions. The poor are hardly saints.

BobLQ


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