Ralph Shumaker wrote:
>..
>> That's interesting.  When I booted up on Knoppix and ran ifconfig, I
>> noticed that eth1 had an IPv4 address, something like 192.168.0.25 or
>> the like.  That suggested to me that I was wirelessly logged into
>> someone's network.  So I tried surfing the web.  I went to the Knoppix
>> home page, CraigsList, and YouTube.
>>
>> I rebooted on Fedora 9, but couldn't access the web from there.  I
>> didn't have an IPv4 address.  I did ifdown eth1, which made it
>> disappear from the ifconfig list but not from the iwconfig list.  Then
>> I did ifup eth1.  But eth1 wouldn't come back up, saying:
>> Determining IP information for eth1... failed; no link present.  Check
>> cable?

Although "cable" seem an inappropriate suggestion for wireless, it just
means you couldn't find an AP it could connect to.

>>
>> But when Fedora 9 boots up, ifconfig lists it.
>>
>> Why would Knoppix activate it on someone's AP, but not Fedora?

Timing? Maybe the AP shut down, or the signal weakened?

>>
>> I'm going to go back to Knoppix.  I'll let it run overnight, connected
>> (but not using the /borrowed/ network connection), and see if I get
>> any ipw2200 error messages in dmesg.
> 
> $ iwconfig eth1
> eth1   IEEE 802.11g  ESSID:"default"
>       Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.437 GHz  Access Point: 00:15:E9:ED:98:B8
>       Bit Rate:54 Mb/s   Tx-Power=20 dBm   Sensitivity=8/0
>       Retry limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
>       Power Management:off
>       Link Quality=44/100  Signal level=-74 dBm  Noise level=-91 dBm
>       Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
>       Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:1

I never know how much faith to put into signal level reports. To me the
signal level seems low, but signal-to-noise nevertheless seems ok. Maybe
a radio person can add to my speculations.

> 
> $ ifconfig eth1
> eth1   Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx
>       inet addr:192.168.0.123  Bcast:192.168.0.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
>       inet6 addr: xxxx::xxx:xxxx:xxxx:xxxx/xx Scope:Link
>       UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>       RX packets:83 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>       TX packets:15 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>       collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
>       RX bytes:11674 (11.4 KiB)  TX bytes:2304 (2.2 KiB)
>       Interrupt:18 Base address:0xc000 Memory:dfcff000-dfcfffff
> 
> Hmmm, it would seem that whatever network I was connected to has since
> been shut off:
> $ iwconfig eth1
> eth1   unassociated  ESSID:off/any
>       Mode:Managed  Channel=0  Access Point: Not-Associated
>       Bit Rate:0 kb/s   Tx-Power=20 dBm   Sensitivity=8/0
>       Retry limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
>       Power Management:off
>       Link Quality:0 Signal level:0  Noise level:0
>       Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:0
>       Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:0
> 
> Bazaar, It's back.  Maybe I have a weak signal and it just took a few
> minutes of sitting on the table next to the window to re-acquire the
> signal.
> 
> Knoppix dmesg has encountered one of the ipw2200 error messages, but not
> the one that is common in Fedora ("Failed to send ..."), rather the
> other one "ipw2200 Firmware error detected.  Restarting." and my
> /borrowed/ wireless internet connection hasn't responded since.  Oops, I
> spoke too soon, Google just came up.

The little I saw about a scanmode bug related to APs that broadcast
without an essid, seems consistent (with some imagination factored in)
with what you are seeing.

> ..

Regards,
..jim


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