I appreciate the gentlemen's response to my problems with Yahoo. Sounds like it's not worth hassling with. Long time ago they locked me out just thought I would try it again for the sake of the other gentleman's site. To bad they are so hard to work . Again thank you for making me feel less like neophyte On Feb 10, 2014 12:05 PM, <krnet-request at list.krnet.org> wrote:
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Re: belly board flying characteristics? (Nerobro) > 11. Other KR SITE (Doran Jaffas) > 12. Re: belly board flying characteristics? (Dan Heath) > 13. Re: belly board flying characteristics? (Mark Jones) > 14. Re: belly board flying characteristics? (Larry&Sallie Flesner) > 15. Re: Parabeam 3D fabric (brian.kraut at eamanufacturing.com) > 16. Re: belly board flying characteristics? (Roger Bulla) > 17. Re: Other KR SITE (Wayne Tokarz) > 18. Re: Parabeam 3D fabric (Tinyauto at aol.com) > 19. Re: Parabeam 3D fabric (Tinyauto at aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 10:14:11 -0800 > From: <laser147 at juno.com> > To: krnet at list.krnet.org > Subject: KR> Diehl skins > Message-ID: <AABKRRTQNAFAJYFJ at smtpout03.vgs.untd.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Some new wingskins just popped up on eBay. > > Mike > KSEE > > ____________________________________________________________ > How to Stay Asleep > Researchers have discovered a revolutionary secret to stay asleep > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/52f7c5cc5302145cc7799st03vuc > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 14:50:46 -0500 > From: Douglas Cooke <dbcrn at hotmail.com> > To: "krnet at list.krnet.org" <krnet at list.krnet.org> > Subject: Re: KR> KRnet Digest, Vol 2, Issue 35 > Message-ID: <SNT150-W52A74DA1F055B84AA128A1B6910 at phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Maybe I'm missing something, but why not a mechanical pump with a parallel > bypass containing a one way valve the electric pump located upstream from > both the > mechanical pump and valve? > That way the electric just bypasses the mechanical pump and the mechanical > pump > won't pump back to the tank(s). > > "I did a little checking and you can't push fuel through the VW > mechanical pump > so a backup system would entail, at minimum, a couple check valves and > an electric pump...a bit more complicated that I care to make it." > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 14:42:01 -0600 > From: Phillip Hill <phill.hill at gmail.com> > To: KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> > Subject: Re: KR> KRnet Digest, Vol 2, Issue 35 > Message-ID: > <CAJeERg34o=1e98gfa8KU_iZPfH6+Ee= > 3-+UdvycnocPp18T0wA at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Nothing wrong with that. I'm not a fan of check valves. The less parts > the better. > > > On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Douglas Cooke <dbcrn at hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Maybe I'm missing something, but why not a mechanical pump with a > parallel > > bypass containing a one way valve the electric pump located upstream from > > both the > > mechanical pump and valve? > > That way the electric just bypasses the mechanical pump and the > mechanical > > pump > > won't pump back to the tank(s). > > > > "I did a little checking and you can't push fuel through the VW > > mechanical pump > > so a backup system would entail, at minimum, a couple check valves and > > an electric pump...a bit more complicated that I care to make it." > > _______________________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to > change > > options > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 20:26:48 -0600 > From: "Miles Humphrey" <mnk at q.com> > To: "KRnet" <krnet at list.krnet.org> > Subject: Re: KR> KRnet Digest, Vol 2, Issue 35 > Message-ID: <797D3F22238A4548BBD99C339CBE3CEB at DG2CT3G1> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Phillip I had 2 Facets in my Rotorway Helicopter. The gas tanks are high > above the engine, hooked together so that the weight in each was always > equal. The Facets were hooked so that the fuel flowed from one thru the > other and then a pressure regulator but had individual switches. Leave > both > running when flying. Great to preflight check out--Turn one off, the > engine > still runs turn it back on and then turn off the other, engine still runs. > They were working as usual when I finally sold it after flying it for ten > years. Miles Humphrey > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Phillip Hill" <phill.hill at gmail.com> > To: "KRnet" <krnet at list.krnet.org> > Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 2:42 PM > Subject: Re: KR> KRnet Digest, Vol 2, Issue 35 > > > > Nothing wrong with that. I'm not a fan of check valves. The less parts > > the better. > > > > > > On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Douglas Cooke <dbcrn at hotmail.com> wrote: > > > >> > >> Maybe I'm missing something, but why not a mechanical pump with a > >> parallel > >> bypass containing a one way valve the electric pump located upstream > from > >> both the > >> mechanical pump and valve? > >> That way the electric just bypasses the mechanical pump and the > >> mechanical > >> pump > >> won't pump back to the tank(s). > >> > >> "I did a little checking and you can't push fuel through the VW > >> mechanical pump > >> so a backup system would entail, at minimum, a couple check valves and > >> an electric pump...a bit more complicated that I care to make it." > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > >> To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > >> see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to > change > >> options > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to > change > > options > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2014 19:41:04 -0700 > From: <brian.kraut at eamanufacturing.com> > To: "KRnet" <krnet at list.krnet.org> > Subject: KR> Parabeam 3D fabric > Message-ID: > < > 20140209194104.31a5f8c871d0e3389177406b4aec562c.958566b566.wbe at > email04.secureserver.net > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > I was speaking to Sam James a few days ago and he told me that they use > Parabeam fabric in their cowls and I think on their wheelpants. Looks > like interresting stuff and Sam certainly makes stuff lighter than > others do. Has anyone worked with it before or know what it costs? > > Supposedly the resin goes to the outside layers and leaves an air space > in the middle so it winds up like a foam or Nomex core material that is > light and very strong. > > http://www.parabeam.nl/site/page/standard_fabrics > http://library.materialconnexion.com/ProductPage.aspx?MC=321201 > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 20:56:57 -0600 > From: "Miles Humphrey" <mnk at q.com> > To: "KRnet" <krnet at list.krnet.org> > Subject: Re: KR> KRnet Digest, Vol 2, Issue 35 > Message-ID: <0D2BCFEC0AB048579BEF5706C886B402 at DG2CT3G1> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > About the helicopter--I should have told you that the fuel tanks are in a > vertical configuration and when half empty there is no more gravity feed. > Because I could carry only 360 lbs. and most hops were short I usually > never > had the tanks more than half full. > >From Miles mnk at q.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Phillip Hill" <phill.hill at gmail.com> > To: "KRnet" <krnet at list.krnet.org> > Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 2:42 PM > Subject: Re: KR> KRnet Digest, Vol 2, Issue 35 > > > > Nothing wrong with that. I'm not a fan of check valves. The less parts > > the better. > > > > > > On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Douglas Cooke <dbcrn at hotmail.com> wrote: > > > >> > >> Maybe I'm missing something, but why not a mechanical pump with a > >> parallel > >> bypass containing a one way valve the electric pump located upstream > from > >> both the > >> mechanical pump and valve? > >> That way the electric just bypasses the mechanical pump and the > >> mechanical > >> pump > >> won't pump back to the tank(s). > >> > >> "I did a little checking and you can't push fuel through the VW > >> mechanical pump > >> so a backup system would entail, at minimum, a couple check valves and > >> an electric pump...a bit more complicated that I care to make it." > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > >> To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > >> see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to > change > >> options > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to > change > > options > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 21:26:00 -0600 > From: "Mark Langford" <ml at n56ml.com> > To: "KRnet" <krnet at list.krnet.org> > Subject: KR> belly board flying characteristics? > Message-ID: <27B5D3CD16B0489091E21D2C04496C22 at base> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > I'm about to hang a belly board on N891JF, so I'm doing a little research. > I plan on putting the hinge point underneath the main spar, and would > expect deploying the flap would nose the plane down, requiring nose up trim > to compensate. That's how the flaps on N56ML work, at least. Does anybody > experience different results from a belly board, and if so, where's the > hinge point for your belly board? > > Thanks, > > Mark Langford > ML at N56ML.com > website at http://www.N56ML.com > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2014 21:36:48 -0600 > From: Larry&Sallie Flesner <flesner at frontier.com> > To: KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> > Subject: KR> belly board flying characteristics? > Message-ID: > <mailman.34.1392051615.9098.krnet_list.krnet.org at list.krnet.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > At 09:26 PM 2/9/2014, you wrote: > >I plan on putting the hinge point underneath the main spar, and > >would expect deploying the flap would nose the plane down, requiring > >nose up trim to compensate. That's how the flaps on N56ML work, at least. > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > The flaps cause a nose down pitching moment as they cause the center > of lift to shift rearward. Don't know why my belly board, located at > the aft spar location, causes a nose up pitch when deployed, slight > but noticeable. > > Larry Flesner > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 21:45:32 -0600 > From: "Mark Langford" <ml at n56ml.com> > To: "KRnet" <krnet at list.krnet.org> > Subject: Re: KR> Parabeam 3D fabric > Message-ID: <6C1824E91D5F4ABCBA2F1BF4C35AAB30 at base> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Brian Kraut wrote: > > > Supposedly the resin goes to the outside layers and leaves an air space > > in the middle so it winds up like a foam or Nomex core material that is > > light and very strong. > > Mark Lougheed and I looked at Parabeam back in the 90's, and it was > impressively strong but lightweight, but also very expensive. Let me know > when you find a price. I haven't heard anything about it lately (it was > new > back then), so I figured it's been displaced by carbon fiber on Nomex, but > it probably has a niche with homebuilders... > > Mark Langford > ML at N56ML.com > website at http://www.N56ML.com > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 23:01:53 -0600 > From: Nerobro <nerobro at gmail.com> > To: KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> > Subject: Re: KR> belly board flying characteristics? > Message-ID: > <CABLCE0jyL0FiFN8cm+fOd6b1z0Qfn7ie8shNnRYaO= > digvVEjg at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > A large low pressure behind the board causing the tail to be sucked down? > > > On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 9:36 PM, Larry&Sallie Flesner > <flesner at frontier.com>wrote: > > > At 09:26 PM 2/9/2014, you wrote: > > > >> I plan on putting the hinge point underneath the main spar, and would > >> expect deploying the flap would nose the plane down, requiring nose up > trim > >> to compensate. That's how the flaps on N56ML work, at least. > >> > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > The flaps cause a nose down pitching moment as they cause the center of > > lift to shift rearward. Don't know why my belly board, located at the > aft > > spar location, causes a nose up pitch when deployed, slight but > noticeable. > > > > Larry Flesner > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to > change > > options > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 01:46:11 -0800 > From: Doran Jaffas <kr2owner at gmail.com> > To: krnet at list.krnet.org > Subject: KR> Other KR SITE > Message-ID: > < > CAD02MK-yZD+QDGBPx1yOLgeKHY1oD1B1D4bYNfn+2kzFFpMO0g at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Maybe I am too technically challenged... But I want to the other site to > try to sign up required Yahoo address. I tried to set up an email and I get > to the create an account part and nothing happens. The only thing a > question passwords keep coming up red but tried several times no luck. > Thought it might be interesting getting a couple of different websites and > share information crossline. Anyway guys and gals all is good this website! > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 05:32:34 -0500 > From: "Dan Heath" <danrh at windstream.net> > To: "'KRnet'" <krnet at list.krnet.org> > Subject: Re: KR> belly board flying characteristics? > Message-ID: <000f01cf264b$69b9ca20$3d2d5e60$@net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Mark, > > Deploying my board causes significant nose up. Stick forward is required. > It is hinged as close behind the aft spar as is possible. > > http://krbuilder.org/BellyBoard/index.html > > > See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics? > > Peoples Choice at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN > Best KR at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN > Best Interior at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN > Best Paint at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN > Best Firwwall Forward at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN > > Daniel R. Heath -?Lexington, SC > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Does anybody experience different results from a belly board, and if so, > where's the hinge point for your belly board? > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 06:54:20 -0600 > From: "Mark Jones" <flykr2s at charter.net> > To: "KRnet" <krnet at list.krnet.org> > Subject: Re: KR> belly board flying characteristics? > Message-ID: <C060B2BB77164D1DA7FCB39D64BFCBFF at flykr2sPC> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Mark, > Everyone I have ever talked to concerning belly boards always experienced a > nose pitch up attitude. While on final I have to apply forward stick > pressure to keep the nose down. This results in slower speed with a low > nose > attitude for great visibility on final. Also, I have never heard of anyone > mounting the belly board to the main spar. I think if you do this you will > once again be a pioneer and will have to report your flight characteristics > as a comparison to the rest of us. Here is the link to my belly board web > page: > http://www.flykr2s.com/bellyboard.html > > Jones > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Stevens Point, WI > E-mail: flykr2s at charter.net > Web: www.flykr2s.com > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 08:06:29 -0600 > From: Larry&Sallie Flesner <flesner at frontier.com> > To: KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> > Subject: Re: KR> belly board flying characteristics? > Message-ID: > <mailman.35.1392051615.9098.krnet_list.krnet.org at list.krnet.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > At 06:54 AM 2/10/2014, you wrote: > >Everyone I have ever talked to concerning belly boards always > >experienced a nose pitch up attitude. > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Just a hunch but I'm guessing the rear spar location, being behind > the CG and CL, might have a bit of a stabilizing factor over the > forward spar location which is directly on the CG location. Then > again, it may have a bit of de-stabilizing factor with the > turbulence it creates. I guess that's what testing is all about. > > Larry Flesner > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 07:24:03 -0700 > From: <brian.kraut at eamanufacturing.com> > To: "KRnet" <krnet at list.krnet.org> > Subject: Re: KR> Parabeam 3D fabric > Message-ID: > < > 20140210072403.31a5f8c871d0e3389177406b4aec562c.31dc05e3ba.wbe at > email04.secureserver.net > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I was wondering why they seem to have never done it in carbon fiber > also. Might just not be able to weave it correctly and get the spring > back. > > So far I found some large rolls on Ebay that work out to about $18/yard, > but it is the 1/2" thick stuff that is probably too thick for anything I > would want to do with it. Sounds high, but when compared with multiple > layers of glass and a core material it might not be that bad. > > They make it from 3mm to 22mm thick. I would think the 3mm would be > best for something like a cowl or wheel pants and something in the 1/4" > range would be good for something like wing skins. > > I sent a request on the web site for some samples and more info. I will > let you know what I find out. > > Sam said that he does not know of anyone else using it. I would think > that it would have limited use for homebuilders except when used in a > mold. > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: KR> Parabeam 3D fabric > From: "Mark Langford" <ml at n56ml.com> > Date: Sun, February 09, 2014 8:45 pm > To: "KRnet" <krnet at list.krnet.org> > > Brian Kraut wrote: > > > Supposedly the resin goes to the outside layers and leaves an air space > > in the middle so it winds up like a foam or Nomex core material that is > > light and very strong. > > Mark Lougheed and I looked at Parabeam back in the 90's, and it was > impressively strong but lightweight, but also very expensive. Let me > know > when you find a price. I haven't heard anything about it lately (it was > new > back then), so I figured it's been displaced by carbon fiber on Nomex, > but > it probably has a niche with homebuilders... > > Mark Langford > ML at N56ML.com > website at http://www.N56ML.com > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to > change options > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 16 > Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 07:50:30 -0700 > From: "Roger Bulla" <rbulla2 at wic.net> > To: "KRnet" <krnet at list.krnet.org> > Subject: Re: KR> belly board flying characteristics? > Message-ID: <4C82CEAD5BA64463913324FE4B33F285 at Rogerremote> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > > > I had installed a belly board on my old Kr. It was just in front of the > rear > spar and actuated with a linear actuator. I believe the board was 30 inches > by 6 inches. I noticed little to no change in pitch when deployed, but did > add bunch of drag. Something I should have done to that plane years ago. My > present KR has stock flaps and there is a big change in nose down pitch > when > deployed. > > > Roger Bulla > rbulla2 at wic.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Langford > Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 8:26 PM > To: KRnet > Subject: KR> belly board flying characteristics? > > I'm about to hang a belly board on N891JF, so I'm doing a little research. > I plan on putting the hinge point underneath the main spar, and would > expect > deploying the flap would nose the plane down, requiring nose up trim to > compensate. That's how the flaps on N56ML work, at least. Does anybody > experience different results from a belly board, and if so, where's the > hinge point for your belly board? > > Thanks, > > Mark Langford > ML at N56ML.com > website at http://www.N56ML.com > -------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 17 > Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 09:12:37 -0700 > From: Wayne Tokarz <pietdriver at icloud.com> > To: 'KRnet' <krnet at list.krnet.org> > Subject: Re: KR> Other KR SITE > Message-ID: > > <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAB4fycT/CBlPgMMrV60v9jWCgQAAEAAAAInqpbIGwFVChnbcbOXh9rcBAAAAAA==@ > icloud.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I have been using Yahoo groups for years, has always been a royal pain. > Nearly impossible to sign in , they change their protocols and lock you > out, > they only want to pound the advertising into your face by forcing you into > using their accounts. > > Wayne > > -----Original Message----- > From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Doran > Jaffas > Sent: February-10-14 2:46 AM > To: krnet at list.krnet.org > Subject: KR> Other KR SITE > > Maybe I am too technically challenged... But I want to the other site to > try > to sign up required Yahoo address. I tried to set up an email and I get to > the create an account part and nothing happens. The only thing a question > passwords keep coming up red but tried several times no luck. > Thought it might be interesting getting a couple of different websites and > share information crossline. Anyway guys and gals all is good this website! > _______________________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see > http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 18 > Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 11:47:09 -0500 (EST) > From: Tinyauto at aol.com > To: krnet at list.krnet.org > Subject: Re: KR> Parabeam 3D fabric > Message-ID: <307bf.74017e8b.402a5c8d at aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Interesting stuff. > > According to a Chinese manufacturer, they can make this stuff in carbon > fiber. The only other manufacture I have found is in the Netherlands. > http://www.parabeam.nl/ > > One question I have with this product is how do you keep the space between > the two fabrics from saturating completely full of resin? If it did this, > it would be very heavy. The Chinese site says it is possible to use pour > foam to fill those voids in the Parabeam glass, but that isn't the normal > use. Here is a photo of the glass from the side: > > http://www.nauticexpo.com/prod/parabeam-bv/fiberglass-fabrics-3d-26847-18898 > 8.html > I think what is intended is just enough glass to fill those vertical > looping weaves but it sure does seam to me it would easily puddle inside > and > cause the product to be very heavy. Any ideas on this? > > Also, from what I have read it will not do sharp corners well. Long > gradual curves are no problem, but I would guess the issue is the inner > fabric > would buckle if trying to lay it into a sharp curved area of a female > mold. > Guessing here that the thin stuff would do a sharper radius than the thick > stuff. Looks like there should be a chart somewhere to use as a guideline > for this problem and there may be.... > > Though I am not building a KR, this group always talk about the most > interesting things and that is why I continue to read the daily postings. > Thank > You! > > Kevin Golden > Harrisonville, MO > Streak Shadow > > > > > In a message dated 2/10/2014 8:24:43 A.M. Central Standard Time, > brian.kraut at eamanufacturing.com writes: > > I was wondering why they seem to have never done it in carbon fiber > also. Might just not be able to weave it correctly and get the spring > back. > > So far I found some large rolls on Ebay that work out to about $18/yard, > but it is the 1/2" thick stuff that is probably too thick for anything I > would want to do with it. Sounds high, but when compared with multiple > layers of glass and a core material it might not be that bad. > > They make it from 3mm to 22mm thick. I would think the 3mm would be > best for something like a cowl or wheel pants and something in the 1/4" > range would be good for something like wing skins. > > I sent a request on the web site for some samples and more info. I will > let you know what I find out. > > Sam said that he does not know of anyone else using it. I would think > that it would have limited use for homebuilders except when used in a > mold. > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: KR> Parabeam 3D fabric > From: "Mark Langford" <ml at n56ml.com> > Date: Sun, February 09, 2014 8:45 pm > To: "KRnet" <krnet at list.krnet.org> > > Brian Kraut wrote: > > > Supposedly the resin goes to the outside layers and leaves an air space > > in the middle so it winds up like a foam or Nomex core material that is > > light and very strong. > > Mark Lougheed and I looked at Parabeam back in the 90's, and it was > impressively strong but lightweight, but also very expensive. Let me > know > when you find a price. I haven't heard anything about it lately (it was > new > back then), so I figured it's been displaced by carbon fiber on Nomex, > but > it probably has a niche with homebuilders... > > Mark Langford > ML at N56ML.com > website at http://www.N56ML.com > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to > change options > > _______________________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 19 > Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 11:50:26 -0500 (EST) > From: Tinyauto at aol.com > To: krnet at list.krnet.org > Subject: Re: KR> Parabeam 3D fabric > Message-ID: <30adc.2bbe1cd8.402a5d52 at aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Just below the picture of the Parabeam fabric, I meant to say "Resin" not > "Glass". > > Kevin Golden > > > > > In a message dated 2/10/2014 10:47:49 A.M. Central Standard Time, > Tinyauto at aol.com writes: > > Interesting stuff. > > According to a Chinese manufacturer, they can make this stuff in carbon > fiber. The only other manufacture I have found is in the Netherlands. > http://www.parabeam.nl/ > > One question I have with this product is how do you keep the space between > > the two fabrics from saturating completely full of resin? If it did this, > > it would be very heavy. The Chinese site says it is possible to use pour > foam to fill those voids in the Parabeam glass, but that isn't the normal > > use. Here is a photo of the glass from the side: > > http://www.nauticexpo.com/prod/parabeam-bv/fiberglass-fabrics-3d-26847-18898 > 8.html > I think what is intended is just enough glass to fill those vertical > looping weaves but it sure does seam to me it would easily puddle inside > and > cause the product to be very heavy. Any ideas on this? > > Also, from what I have read it will not do sharp corners well. Long > gradual curves are no problem, but I would guess the issue is the inner > fabric > would buckle if trying to lay it into a sharp curved area of a female > mold. > Guessing here that the thin stuff would do a sharper radius than the > thick > stuff. Looks like there should be a chart somewhere to use as a > guideline > for this problem and there may be.... > > Though I am not building a KR, this group always talk about the most > interesting things and that is why I continue to read the daily postings. > Thank > You! > > Kevin Golden > Harrisonville, MO > Streak Shadow > > > > > In a message dated 2/10/2014 8:24:43 A.M. Central Standard Time, > brian.kraut at eamanufacturing.com writes: > > I was wondering why they seem to have never done it in carbon fiber > also. Might just not be able to weave it correctly and get the spring > back. > > So far I found some large rolls on Ebay that work out to about $18/yard, > but it is the 1/2" thick stuff that is probably too thick for anything I > would want to do with it. Sounds high, but when compared with multiple > layers of glass and a core material it might not be that bad. > > They make it from 3mm to 22mm thick. I would think the 3mm would be > best for something like a cowl or wheel pants and something in the 1/4" > range would be good for something like wing skins. > > I sent a request on the web site for some samples and more info. I will > let you know what I find out. > > Sam said that he does not know of anyone else using it. I would think > that it would have limited use for homebuilders except when used in a > mold. > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: KR> Parabeam 3D fabric > From: "Mark Langford" <ml at n56ml.com> > Date: Sun, February 09, 2014 8:45 pm > To: "KRnet" <krnet at list.krnet.org> > > Brian Kraut wrote: > > > Supposedly the resin goes to the outside layers and leaves an air space > > in the middle so it winds up like a foam or Nomex core material that is > > light and very strong. > > Mark Lougheed and I looked at Parabeam back in the 90's, and it was > impressively strong but lightweight, but also very expensive. Let me > know > when you find a price. I haven't heard anything about it lately (it was > new > back then), so I figured it's been displaced by carbon fiber on Nomex, > but > it probably has a niche with homebuilders... > > Mark Langford > ML at N56ML.com > website at http://www.N56ML.com > -------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to > change options > > _______________________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to > change > > options > > _______________________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html > KRnet mailing list > KRnet at list.krnet.org > http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org > > > ------------------------------ > > End of KRnet Digest, Vol 2, Issue 36 > ************************************ >
