-----Original Message----- From: krnet-request at list.krnet.org Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2015 12:00 PM To: krnet at list.krnet.org Subject: KRnet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 212
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Re: Kansas BBQ/Fish Fry Aug 15 (jscott.planes at gmx.com) 8. Filling low spots (Mark Jones) 9. Re: Filling low spots in cured fiberglass without spending $200 on a can of EA960F (Lee Van Dyke) 10. Re: Filling low spots (stefkr2 at kpnmail.nl) 11. weight and balance (stefkr2 at kpnmail.nl) 12. Re: weight and balance (jon kimmel) 13. Re: weight and balance (Dan Heath) 14. weight and balance (Flesner) 15. Filling low spots (Wayne) 16. Re: Filling low spots (Mark Jones) 17. Re: weight and balance (Rob Schmitt) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 12:10:35 -0400 From: ppaulvsk <ppaulvsk at aol.com> To: KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: Re: KR> Filling low spots in cured fiberglass without spending $200 on a can of EA960F Message-ID: <45eiy4obqotv4t00my9iwl89.1439568635105 at email.android.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Body filler is vary heavy. I personally don't ?us the primer. I have no trouble seeing were to stop sanding. Paul ViskBelleville Il618-406-4705 -------- Original message --------From: Chris Prata via KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> Date: 8/14/2015 10:31 AM (GMT-06:00) To: KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> Cc: Chris Prata <chrisprata at live.com> Subject: Re: KR> Filling low spots in cured fiberglass without spending $200 on a can of EA960F the article suggests laying on a coat of black primer before filling, to help visualize the topography during sanding. ? ------------------------------ Message: 2 List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 12:57:35 -0400 From: Chris Prata <chrisprata at live.com> To: KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: Re: KR> Filling low spots in cured fiberglass without spending $200 on a can of EA960F Message-ID: <BLU179-W83F7FB800EC24338915C9EB67C0 at phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" also, I just watched a documentary on how the guy (custom car builder) made the shuttle craft for the original star trek (its on youtube). he mentioned using 3ft sanding boards which they custom made (said they can be bought today). so maybe thats a key, use a very long, reinforced with a vertical, sanding board. > Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 12:10:35 -0400 > To: krnet at list.krnet.org > Subject: Re: KR> Filling low spots in cured fiberglass without spending > $200 on a can of EA960F > From: krnet at list.krnet.org > CC: ppaulvsk at aol.com > > Body filler is vary heavy. I personally don't us the primer. I have no > trouble seeing were to stop sanding. > > Paul ViskBelleville Il618-406-4705 > > -------- Original message --------From: Chris Prata via KRnet > <krnet at list.krnet.org> Date: 8/14/2015 10:31 AM (GMT-06:00) ------------------------------ Message: 3 List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 13:09:44 -0400 From: ppaulvsk <ppaulvsk at aol.com> To: KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: Re: KR> Filling low spots in cured fiberglass without spending $200 on a can of EA960F Message-ID: <ouky597w5pf3apjvux43q7m8.1439572184838 at email.android.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 You should have three ?board all different lengths and you should also have one that bends. Like on a thin piece of plywould or plexiglass for the double contour curves. Paul ViskBelleville Il618-406-4705 -------- Original message --------From: Chris Prata via KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> Date: 8/14/2015 11:57 AM (GMT-06:00) To: KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> Cc: Chris Prata <chrisprata at live.com> Subject: Re: KR> Filling low spots in cured fiberglass without spending $200 on a can of EA960F also, I just watched a documentary on how the guy (custom car builder) made the shuttle craft for the original star trek (its on youtube).? he mentioned using 3ft sanding boards which they custom made (said they can be bought today).? so maybe thats a key, use a very long, reinforced with a vertical, sanding board. > Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 12:10:35 -0400 > To: krnet at list.krnet.org > Subject: Re: KR> Filling low spots in cured fiberglass without spending > $200 on a can of EA960F > From: krnet at list.krnet.org > CC: ppaulvsk at aol.com > > Body filler is vary heavy. I personally don't? us the primer. I have no > trouble seeing were to stop sanding. > > Paul ViskBelleville Il618-406-4705 > > -------- Original message --------From: Chris Prata via KRnet > <krnet at list.krnet.org> Date: 8/14/2015? 10:31 AM? (GMT-06:00) ?? ? _______________________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options ------------------------------ Message: 4 List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 14:46:44 -0400 From: peter <jordanruthseto at aol.com> To: krnet at list.krnet.org Subject: Re: KR> Filling low spots in cured fiberglass without spending $200 on a can of EA960F Message-ID: <14f2d891bc7-3f8-4c5b at webprd-m83.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Never use bondo. Sands poorly and cracks due to low cohesive strength. Peter ------------------------------ Message: 5 List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 19:12:23 +0000 From: <marnold771 at gmail.com> To: Global Solutions via KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: Re: KR> Kansas BBQ/Fish Fry Aug 15 Message-ID: <2515269be0f5422db99b35c0344f3c94 at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi im new and out of the know where is this when does it start and who can come Sent from Windows Mail From: Global Solutions via KRnet Sent: ?Friday?, ?August? ?14?, ?2015 ?9?:?16? ?AM To: Global Solutions via KRnet, terry chizek Cc: jon kimmel I might drive up...all this building and I've never even seen a kr in person...might even bring my extra fiberglass parts. https://sites.google.com/site/mykr2stretch/ https://sites.google.com/site/mykr2stretch/parts-for-sale _______________________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options ------------------------------ Message: 6 List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 14:17:38 -0500 From: "Joe. E. Wallace" <jwallacep51 at gmail.com> To: KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: KR> Sanding Message-ID: <C00C94D3-09EA-4E3E-A13A-F01F9AD1969D at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 For those of you that are sanding, remember I have lots of sandpaper in 50 yd rolls?. 24 36 and some 60 grit for getting to the heavy stuff?. give me your needs and will price as before?. jw Joe. E. Wallace jwallacep51 at gmail.com ------------------------------ Message: 7 List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 21:29:02 +0200 From: jscott.planes at gmx.com To: "Mike Arnold via KRnet" <krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: Re: KR> Kansas BBQ/Fish Fry Aug 15 Message-ID: <trinity-690dae74-5f17-488f-944b-343271f6715f-1439580540864 at msvc-mesg-gmx017> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Open to anyone. Marion, ks airport. Most should arrive between 4 and 5:00. -Jeff Scott -----Original message----- Sent: Friday, 14 August 2015 at 21:12:23 From: "Mike Arnold via KRnet" <krnet at list.krnet.org> To: "Global Solutions via KRnet" <krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: Re: KR> Kansas BBQ/Fish Fry Aug 15 Hi im new and out of the know where is this when does it start and who can come Sent from Windows Mail From: Global Solutions via KRnet Sent: ?Friday?, ?August? ?14?, ?2015 ?9?:?16? ?AM To: Global Solutions via KRnet, terry chizek Cc: jon kimmel I might drive up...all this building and I've never even seen a kr in person...might even bring my extra fiberglass parts. https://sites.google.com/site/mykr2stretch/ https://sites.google.com/site/mykr2stretch/parts-for-sale _______________________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options _______________________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options ------------------------------ Message: 8 List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 14:31:24 -0500 From: "Mark Jones" <flykr2s at charter.net> To: "KR Net" <krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: KR> Filling low spots Message-ID: <B34398CF50B647DBAC24D4ADECE5786E at MarkPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Guys, When I was building, Bill Clapp told me about a filling product used in the automotive paint shops called ?Icing?. This is a two part filler. It is absolutely the easiest filler I have ever sanded. It is super lightweight and will feather out on the edges exceptionally well. I used it all over my KR. It goes a long way so if you decide to try it buy the smallest tube which is about 24 ounces. It cost about $25. Try it, you will be glad you did. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Stevens Point, WI E-mail: flykr2s at charter.net Web: www.flykr2s.com ------------------------------ Message: 9 List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 21:04:12 -0500 From: Lee Van Dyke <lee at vandyke2.com> To: KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: Re: KR> Filling low spots in cured fiberglass without spending $200 on a can of EA960F Message-ID: <0F75DF54-F7A7-41E1-AAE4-7568991CB755 at vandyke2.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Depending on how low the low spots are, The best thing to use is a stick slurry of micro and resin. Don't go to thick just fill the low spots. Then use the stuff Mark Jones talked about icing to feather out any small areas Lee Van Dyke > On Aug 14, 2015, at 1:46 PM, peter via KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> wrote: > > Never use bondo. Sands poorly and cracks due to low cohesive strength. > Peter > ------------------------------ Message: 10 List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: 15 Aug 2015 12:36:10 +0200 From: "stefkr2 at kpnmail.nl" <stefkr2 at kpnmail.nl> To: KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: Re: KR> Filling low spots Message-ID: <14137035.18471439634970066.JavaMail.defaultUser at defaultHost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi mark, We did the wings and the lower part of the fuselage with micro. In a few weeks we will start to finish everything. Do you have a brand name of the icing, google come up with 3M. Is that the lightweight stuf? Monday we will do a weight and balance check To calculate the engine position. En start with the engine mount. So my dad will start sending, I do de mount. Stef -- Steph and his dad are building the KR-2S see http://www.masttotaalconcept.nl/kr2 >----Origineel Bericht---- >Van : krnet at list.krnet.org >Datum : 14/08/2015 21:31 >Aan : krnet at list.krnet.org >Cc : flykr2s at charter.net >Onderwerp : KR> Filling low spots > >Hi Guys, >When I was building, Bill Clapp told me about a filling product used in the >automotive paint shops called ?Icing?. This is a two part filler. It is >absolutely the easiest filler I have ever sanded. It is super lightweight >and will feather out on the edges exceptionally well. I used it all over my >KR. It goes a long way so if you decide to try it buy the smallest tube >which is about 24 ounces. It cost about $25. >Try it, you will be glad you did. > >Mark Jones (N886MJ) >Stevens Point, WI > >E-mail: flykr2s at charter.net >Web: www.flykr2s.com > >_______________________________________________ >Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. >To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org >please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change >options > ------------------------------ Message: 11 List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: 15 Aug 2015 12:47:11 +0200 From: "stefkr2 at kpnmail.nl" <stefkr2 at kpnmail.nl> To: Kr net Kr net <krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: KR> weight and balance Message-ID: <17108470.19411439635631046.JavaMail.defaultUser at defaultHost> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8 Hi guys, Monday we will do a weight and balance check to calculate the engine position. We did build a KR-2 but did extend the tail like an kr2-s, have the old kr2 wings but with the extension like the kr2-s. Fire wall is reinforced for the more powerful engine but have no two inch extension to the front. Can you guys give me the advice what you should use for the fwd and aft gravity point? I think I can use the drawing dimensions. Result will be more space after the engine. Stef -- Steph and his dad are building the KR-2S see http://www.masttotaalconcept.nl/kr2 ------------------------------ Message: 12 List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2015 06:12:50 -0500 From: jon kimmel <jkimmel50 at gmail.com> To: KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org>, stefkr2 at kpnmail.nl Subject: Re: KR> weight and balance Message-ID: <CAFoZr_p2gbAkTH8NwC_0Jo10dK8TLt9LVDTrEWYW478zNqszQQ at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 15% to 35% Mac is a good estimate. You should recalculate hour Mac as it sounds like this is a unique configuration. https://sites.google.com/site/mykr2stretch/ https://sites.google.com/site/mykr2stretch/parts-for-sale ------------------------------ Message: 13 List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2015 08:08:50 -0400 From: "Dan Heath" <danrh at windstream.net> To: <stefkr2 at kpnmail.nl>, "'KRnet'" <krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: Re: KR> weight and balance Message-ID: <003d01d0d753$25f7ab30$71e70190$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I used the firewall, figuring that, that location would never change. My Panther Building Documentation at PantherBuilder Web Site Daniel R. Heath -?Lexington, SC -----Original Message----- From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of stefkr2--- via KRnet Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2015 6:47 AM To: Kr net Kr net Cc: stefkr2 at kpnmail.nl Subject: KR> weight and balance Hi guys, Monday we will do a weight and balance check to calculate the engine position. We did build a KR-2 but did extend the tail like an kr2-s, have the old kr2 wings but with the extension like the kr2-s. Fire wall is reinforced for the more powerful engine but have no two inch extension to the front. Can you guys give me the advice what you should use for the fwd and aft gravity point? I think I can use the drawing dimensions. Result will be more space after the engine. Stef -- Steph and his dad are building the KR-2S see http://www.masttotaalconcept.nl/kr2 _______________________________________________ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options ------------------------------ Message: 14 List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2015 07:11:27 -0500 From: Flesner <flesner at frontier.com> To: krnet at list.krnet.org Subject: KR> weight and balance Message-ID: <mailman.32.1439654410.13250.krnet_list.krnet.org at list.krnet.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >. Can you guys give me the advice what you should use for the fwd >and aft gravity point? I think I can use the drawing dimensions. >Result will be more space after the engine. >Stef ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Stef, You and your dad have done some fine work on your KR. Use the CG location established in the plans but don't use the rear two inches of the CG. The CG is based on the wing plan form, not what is attached to the wing. It is based on the center of lift for that wing shape. Place your engine to keep you in the CG range with different loading configurations. More forward is best. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Message: 15 List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2015 08:40:44 -0400 From: Wayne <wdelislesr at carolina.rr.com> To: krnet at list.krnet.org Subject: KR> Filling low spots Message-ID: <55CF334C.9040507 at carolina.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Here is the web site for 3M. http://3mcollision.com/products/fillers-and-glaze This is available in the U.S. at most autoparts stores and auto paint suppliers. Amazon has it as well as another brand product. Wayne > KR> Filling low spots > > stefkr2 at kpnmail.nl stefkr2 at kpnmail.nl > Sat Aug 15 06:36:10 EDT 2015 > Previous message (by thread): KR> Filling low spots > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > Hi mark, > We did the wings and the lower part of the fuselage with micro. In a few > weeks we will start to finish everything. Do you have a brand name of the > icing, google come up with 3M. Is that the lightweight stuf? > Monday we will do a weight and balance check To calculate the engine > position. En start with the engine mount. So my dad will start sending, I > do de mount. > Stef -- Wayne DeLisle Sr. ------------------------------ Message: 16 List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2015 08:00:32 -0500 From: Mark Jones <flykr2s at charter.net> To: "stefkr2 at kpnmail.nl" <stefkr2 at kpnmail.nl>, KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: Re: KR> Filling low spots Message-ID: <94D33C3E-D68C-4AFB-B051-41777E4000FF at charter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 The one to use is made by "U.S. Chemicals and Plastics". The tube is white with red lettering. It says USC ICING on the tube. Mark Jones Sent from my iPhone 6 > On Aug 15, 2015, at 5:36 AM, stefkr2--- via KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> > wrote: > > Hi mark, > We did the wings and the lower part of the fuselage with micro. In a few > weeks we will start to finish everything. Do you have a brand name of the > icing, google come up with 3M. Is that the lightweight stuf? > Monday we will do a weight and balance check To calculate the engine > position. En start with the engine mount. So my dad will start sending, I > do de mount. > Stef > > -- > Steph and his dad are building the KR-2S see > http://www.masttotaalconcept.nl/kr2 > > > > >> ----Origineel Bericht---- >> Van : krnet at list.krnet.org >> Datum : 14/08/2015 21:31 >> Aan : krnet at list.krnet.org >> Cc : flykr2s at charter.net >> Onderwerp : KR> Filling low spots >> >> Hi Guys, >> When I was building, Bill Clapp told me about a filling product used in >> the automotive paint shops called ?Icing?. This is a two part filler. It >> is absolutely the easiest filler I have ever sanded. It is super >> lightweight and will feather out on the edges exceptionally well. I used >> it all over my KR. It goes a long way so if you decide to try it buy the >> smallest tube which is about 24 ounces. It cost about $25. >> Try it, you will be glad you did. >> >> Mark Jones (N886MJ) >> Stevens Point, WI >> >> E-mail: flykr2s at charter.net >> Web: www.flykr2s.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. >> To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org >> please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html >> see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change >> options > > _______________________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options ------------------------------ Message: 17 List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2015 08:40:18 -0500 From: Rob Schmitt <robert7721 at aol.com> To: KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> Subject: Re: KR> weight and balance Message-ID: <D735A8EC-A240-42B1-A6B3-19A235FE889D at aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The plans call for using 8 inches - 16 inches of the wing cord. So forward point would be 8 inches aft of the wings front edge. Aft would be 16 inches. This is for the RAF 48 airfoil. Rob Schmitt N1852Z > On Aug 15, 2015, at 7:11 AM, Flesner via KRnet <krnet at list.krnet.org> > wrote: > > >> . Can you guys give me the advice what you should use for the fwd and aft >> gravity point? I think I can use the drawing dimensions. Result will be >> more space after the engine. >> Stef > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Stef, > > You and your dad have done some fine work on your KR. > > Use the CG location established in the plans but don't use the rear two > inches of the CG. The CG is based on the wing plan form, not what is > attached to the wing. It is based on the center of lift for that wing > shape. Place your engine to keep you in the CG range with different > loading configurations. More forward is best. > > Larry Flesner > > _______________________________________________ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ See KRnet list details at http://www.krnet.org/instructions.html KRnet mailing list KRnet at list.krnet.org http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org ------------------------------ End of KRnet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 212 *************************************
